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Why would I want Windows 8

  1. #81


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    Quote Originally Posted by margarida View Post
    I don't know if it's really worth it. I felt the difference because I went from Vista immediately to Eight, I only tried out Seven afterwards. Yes, it's slightly faster, but I don't know much more changes. In my opinion, one of the few things that stands out for a new user is the Metro interface, but I don't know if that will motivate people to leave Seven.

    As for me, I'm willing to leave seven as soon as Windows 8 is officially out, as I'm terrified of BSODs and Eight made them look more friendly. Really, I used to have nightmares about it when I was a kid.
    BSODs? I have not seen one in the last five years!!!! Keep your drivers updated and you would never see one. Not only did Vista made them exceedingly rare, but I have not seen any with multiple systems since all of them were upgraded to Win7. However, BSODs were very rare (if ever) in my system since WinXP SP2.

    Are you getting too many BSODs???? If so, there many things going wrong in your system and Win7/Win8 have the least to do with it.

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  2. #82


    Posts : 162
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Why would you buy a Win8 ARM tablet and not an Android 4.0 (ICS) one?
    What I saw of Android, it seems to hold together with rubber bands and band aids. E.g. the poor success of the superb Motorola Xoom was mainly because of the poor quality of Honeycomb (high price was probably another reason). Plus most applications were rather shuddy because Google did not control anything.

    I would expect the Win8 tablets to be of a higher standard. And I am sure they will provide the twenty or so applications that the average user needs. After all, tablets are toys and not designed for serious work.

    Key to the success of the Win8 tablets will be price. An entry price of $250 with an average configuration at $350 would work. But an entry price of $499 or more will not fly. MS is not Apple that have fans who buy anything at any price that Apple sells.
    What then have you seen of Android? Not much, right? No, the problem with Motorola's Xoom was not Android 3.0 (although originally only a beta was utilized) but it was the lack of content. Many have pointed it out. Purchasing the iPad was a straight proposition with consumers. They knew what they were buying. But with the Xoom, they had no ikling as to what to do with this machine. However, this prompted Google to start its own music and book store and also Amazon and B&N to follow. Now, the Amazon Fire and the B&N Nook sell like hot cakes (and they run Android). The reason is quite obvious, isn't it? The price is about $200, and with that you get a tablet and access to a huge amount of content. So, why pay more?

    There is no way on this green earth that Dell, Lenovo and HP would ever come out with $200 Win8 tablets. The current ones are actually sold at cost (as Amazon revealed) because they make money for Google and Amazon from sales of apps and content (music, movies, books) and in advertising. Neither Dell, Lenovo, HP, Asus or others have access to this content. So, they cannot afford to sell their tablets at cost (and also pay a license to Microsoft). They are in the hardware business and they are in the hardware business to make money!! It is as simple as this. And we are talking here only for ARM-based Win8 tablets which would run only Metro apps.

    Now, going to Intel-based tablets, these even require internal fans to cool the processors, so any price point below $600 is likely unrealistic (with a $130 licence to Microsoft). These would supposedly compete against the iPads. Considering that the iPads would be in the 3rd generation and iTunes is the most popular destination, I see MS getting creamed here in the consumer market. Some of these tablets may go to industry for some vertical applications, but I just do not see any of them becoming a popular consumer buy.

    I suggest that revise your opinion on Android. In fact, Android is in the mobile space very similar to Windows (amazingly so). You would feel a much closer affinity to Android on a smartphone than to Windows Phone (which copies the iPhone model). Android in version 4.0 is quite mature and incorporates a lot of innovations. Win8 in tablets would be a poor match for Android 4.0 (ICS). Let's not even forget that by the time these tablets are our, Android would be in version 5, and before MS offers any meaningful upgrades with Win9, Android would be in version 9.0!!!! Microsoft works on "enterprise speed" while Google and Apple work on "consumer speed". This alone will decide the outcome.
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  3. #83


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by ADRz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Why would you buy a Win8 ARM tablet and not an Android 4.0 (ICS) one?
    What I saw of Android, it seems to hold together with rubber bands and band aids. E.g. the poor success of the superb Motorola Xoom was mainly because of the poor quality of Honeycomb (high price was probably another reason). Plus most applications were rather shuddy because Google did not control anything.

    I would expect the Win8 tablets to be of a higher standard. And I am sure they will provide the twenty or so applications that the average user needs. After all, tablets are toys and not designed for serious work.

    Key to the success of the Win8 tablets will be price. An entry price of $250 with an average configuration at $350 would work. But an entry price of $499 or more will not fly. MS is not Apple that have fans who buy anything at any price that Apple sells.
    What then have you seen of Android? Not much, right? No, the problem with Motorola's Xoom was not Android 3.0 (although originally only a beta was utilized) but it was the lack of content. Many have pointed it out. Purchasing the iPad was a straight proposition with consumers. They knew what they were buying. But with the Xoom, they had no ikling as to what to do with this machine. However, this prompted Google to start its own music and book store and also Amazon and B&N to follow. Now, the Amazon Fire and the B&N Nook sell like hot cakes (and they run Android). The reason is quite obvious, isn't it? The price is about $200, and with that you get a tablet and access to a huge amount of content. So, why pay more?

    There is no way on this green earth that Dell, Lenovo and HP would ever come out with $200 Win8 tablets. The current ones are actually sold at cost (as Amazon revealed) because they make money for Google and Amazon from sales of apps and content (music, movies, books) and in advertising. Neither Dell, Lenovo, HP, Asus or others have access to this content. So, they cannot afford to sell their tablets at cost (and also pay a license to Microsoft). They are in the hardware business and they are in the hardware business to make money!! It is as simple as this. And we are talking here only for ARM-based Win8 tablets which would run only Metro apps.

    Now, going to Intel-based tablets, these even require internal fans to cool the processors, so any price point below $600 is likely unrealistic (with a $130 licence to Microsoft). These would supposedly compete against the iPads. Considering that the iPads would be in the 3rd generation and iTunes is the most popular destination, I see MS getting creamed here in the consumer market. Some of these tablets may go to industry for some vertical applications, but I just do not see any of them becoming a popular consumer buy.

    I suggest that revise your opinion on Android. In fact, Android is in the mobile space very similar to Windows (amazingly so). You would feel a much closer affinity to Android on a smartphone than to Windows Phone (which copies the iPhone model). Android in version 4.0 is quite mature and incorporates a lot of innovations. Win8 in tablets would be a poor match for Android 4.0 (ICS). Let's not even forget that by the time these tablets are our, Android would be in version 5, and before MS offers any meaningful upgrades with Win9, Android would be in version 9.0!!!! Microsoft works on "enterprise speed" while Google and Apple work on "consumer speed". This alone will decide the outcome.
    You're right about content. But even then, amazon isn't making money off the tablets, they're relying on content. Dell, Asus, Acer, and Samsung will have access to new content and old content when 8 is RTMed. Of course there wouldn't be a lot. ARM tablets have their own battle.

    Speaking of such, Intel based tablets will be running the refreshed Atom series processors which basically won't require major cooling apparatuses, as is true right now. I can buy a 300 dollar, Intel based netbook. With efficient manufacturing and Microsoft making deals with 8, I'd see a Windows 8 tablet with an Intel Atom for somewhere in the 200 dollar range.

    Too bad people use PCs to use Windows. I've never seen average android users do anything fantastic other than call, text, and use apps. That's actually what I was told today by a friend of friend who spent 200 dollars on an android 3 phone. The only times I've ever seen a phone physically abused by being dropped intentionally on the ground, thrown at the ground, thrown at a wall, or at a trash can is when it's an android phone. Literally. Never iphones, but androids. That's just from what I've seen in person. android is a fragmented market that is continuously being fragmented. Consumers are initially mesmerized by a new android phone, but all they do is call, text, and use apps with difficulty in between. By the time Windows 8 is out, android will be in its fifth version, probably still leeching off from original ideas from either iOS 6 or Windows again. Consumers don't like updating Windows as it is, no one will EVER, EVER, EVER, upgrade to android 5 to 9 in two, three years. Probably by then, android 4 will be the crap version being peddled. I highly doubt your last statement.
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  4. #84


    Posts : 162
    windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    You're right about content. But even then, amazon isn't making money off the tablets, they're relying on content. Dell, Asus, Acer, and Samsung will have access to new content and old content when 8 is RTMed. Of course there wouldn't be a lot. ARM tablets have their own battle.

    Speaking of such, Intel based tablets will be running the refreshed Atom series processors which basically won't require major cooling apparatuses, as is true right now. I can buy a 300 dollar, Intel based netbook. With efficient manufacturing and Microsoft making deals with 8, I'd see a Windows 8 tablet with an Intel Atom for somewhere in the 200 dollar range.

    Too bad people use PCs to use Windows. I've never seen average android users do anything fantastic other than call, text, and use apps. That's actually what I was told today by a friend of friend who spent 200 dollars on an android 3 phone. The only times I've ever seen a phone physically abused by being dropped intentionally on the ground, thrown at the ground, thrown at a wall, or at a trash can is when it's an android phone. Literally. Never iphones, but androids. That's just from what I've seen in person. android is a fragmented market that is continuously being fragmented. Consumers are initially mesmerized by a new android phone, but all they do is call, text, and use apps with difficulty in between. By the time Windows 8 is out, android will be in its fifth version, probably still leeching off from original ideas from either iOS 6 or Windows again. Consumers don't like updating Windows as it is, no one will EVER, EVER, EVER, upgrade to android 5 to 9 in two, three years. Probably by then, android 4 will be the crap version being peddled. I highly doubt your last statement.
    The only reason that you had netbooks at the $300 price point is because wireless companies subsidized them. There is no way that Win8 tablets can hit the $200 price point. At this price, the tablets will be given out at cost. If you do intent to make a profit from something else, then this is becoming a totally useless exercise. Dell, HP, Lenovo are hardware companies. They do not have bookstores, music stores or app stores. Their business model is selling hardware for profit.

    Now, I would not answer your comments on Android because they are not serious. At least, you can try to read a review.
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  5. #85


    Posts : 1,396
    Windows 8 Developer 32 bit


    I'm nobody of any importance but you need to keep the conversation civil....The mods and admins don't play, and this conversation is starting to heat up....if you wander into rudeness/flaming they will ban you....and we need everybody here....Keep in mind that Eight is a work in progress and may change very much before the final release
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  6. #86


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by ADRz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    You're right about content. But even then, amazon isn't making money off the tablets, they're relying on content. Dell, Asus, Acer, and Samsung will have access to new content and old content when 8 is RTMed. Of course there wouldn't be a lot. ARM tablets have their own battle.

    Speaking of such, Intel based tablets will be running the refreshed Atom series processors which basically won't require major cooling apparatuses, as is true right now. I can buy a 300 dollar, Intel based netbook. With efficient manufacturing and Microsoft making deals with 8, I'd see a Windows 8 tablet with an Intel Atom for somewhere in the 200 dollar range.

    Too bad people use PCs to use Windows. I've never seen average android users do anything fantastic other than call, text, and use apps. That's actually what I was told today by a friend of friend who spent 200 dollars on an android 3 phone. The only times I've ever seen a phone physically abused by being dropped intentionally on the ground, thrown at the ground, thrown at a wall, or at a trash can is when it's an android phone. Literally. Never iphones, but androids. That's just from what I've seen in person. android is a fragmented market that is continuously being fragmented. Consumers are initially mesmerized by a new android phone, but all they do is call, text, and use apps with difficulty in between. By the time Windows 8 is out, android will be in its fifth version, probably still leeching off from original ideas from either iOS 6 or Windows again. Consumers don't like updating Windows as it is, no one will EVER, EVER, EVER, upgrade to android 5 to 9 in two, three years. Probably by then, android 4 will be the crap version being peddled. I highly doubt your last statement.
    The only reason that you had netbooks at the $300 price point is because wireless companies subsidized them. There is no way that Win8 tablets can hit the $200 price point. At this price, the tablets will be given out at cost. If you do intent to make a profit from something else, then this is becoming a totally useless exercise. Dell, HP, Lenovo are hardware companies. They do not have bookstores, music stores or app stores. Their business model is selling hardware for profit.

    Now, I would not answer your comments on Android because they are not serious. At least, you can try to read a review.
    What wireless companies?

    And I have read all the negative and positive reviews of android. I know what people use android for, call, text, and use apps, nothing more, nothing less. I know quite a bit about a system I don't particularly mind for so I know what I don't like about it.
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  7. #87


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    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    call, text, and use apps, nothing more
    I would add on-line shopping.
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  8. #88


    Posts : 162
    windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    What wireless companies?
    at&t, Verizon, Sprint.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    And I have read all the negative and positive reviews of android. I know what people use android for, call, text, and use apps, nothing more, nothing less. I know quite a bit about a system I don't particularly mind for so I know what I don't like about it.
    And how do you think the Android apps differ from the Metro-style apps that would be offered by MS??? In fact, what do you expect that you would be able to do with these apps that you cannot do with Android apps????
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  9. #89


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    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Maybe one of you wants to start a thread Windows8 verus Android. I had started this thread to explore the unique and desirable items of Windows8. It would be nice if we could get back to that discussion.
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  10. #90


    Posts : 162
    windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Maybe one of you wants to start a thread Windows8 verus Android. I had started this thread to explore the unique and desirable items of Windows8. It would be nice if we could get back to that discussion.
    You seem defensive. How are these "items" in Win8 unique if they can found in all other mobile OSes? If you ask for uniqueness, then, I presume, that you are open to a discussion on what is available elsewhere. Because if it is available elsewhere, then it is not unique. Or have I misunderstood you again?
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