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8.1 upgrade with not so old hardware...is a no go

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    8.1 upgrade with not so old hardware...is a no go


    I found this article while browsing another forum. Very interesting and a very good read on the upgrade to 8.1 with hardware that's not that old. In particular the compatibility with CMPXCHG16b with CPU/s and MOBO's.

    New Windows 8.1 requirements strand some users on Windows 8 | PCWorld

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    Yup, I ran into this with 8.1 Preview. I had 8.0 X64 and could not update to 81. Preview X64. Had to do a clean install of 8.1 Preview X86.

    I won't downgrade my computer to a 32 bit OS because Microsoft removed support that was previously in the kernel. Looks like I'm stuck on 8.0 until I can afford a new computer. This is one change I would really like to see Microsoft release an update for so 8.1 will run on all the same processors 8.0 runs on.
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    Thanks for posting, Bass. A good read indeed.

    First off, I think the author is misleading calling it a "point release OS update—or rather, a service pack". It is in fact a new edition in which there are major kernel changes. I believe MS stated this from the get go. I will, however, give the author credit on criticizing MS for the short period of support for 8. That to me is just plain unfair and MS should compensate those few customers stuck with it. Perhaps a major discount on a new machine would suffice.

    It is unfortunate and I can understand that some are disappointed that 8.1 cannot run on all machines, but is that totally MS's fault being that it's a new edition? I was stretching Windows 98SE on my old Gateway 2000 which ran fine, but I sure the heck knew it wouldn't handle Vista. Was MS obliged to write a kernel update just to accommodate me? No. It was time to upgrade my hardware if I wanted a more modern OS.

    Is it MS's fault that the Intel DP35DP motherboard hasn't had a firmware update since 2009? I don't think so. Why doesn't the author criticize Intel for lack of service? Hopefully they will release new firmware. Does anyone know if Intel is aware of this problem? Another thing the author doesn't mention.

    And ?why? would the author not test the 32 bit system before he wrote the article is beyond me.

    Personally I was concerned whether or not 8 would run on this older Acer, but thank my lucky stars it turned this machine around like it was brand new. Then concerned again when approaching 8.1. Again, thank my lucky stars. I'm amazed on how fast these editions run verses 7. They use about 5% more RAM, but I don't think that's a significant change.
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    Sorry, but I disagree.

    It is Microsoft's fault that they removed support from the kernel for processors that were supported in 8.0. It is an update since it's available from the store as an update. You don't have to buy a DVD or download a ISO to install it.

    I see it exactly like when they released SP3 for XP. It was an update available through Windows Update but at the same time they refreshed the release channels so new CDs were at the SP3 level.

    They should have waited until the next major releases, Windows 9 or whatever it's going to be called, to make this significant a change.
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    Just as Microsoft gets no revenue from supporting legacy Microsoft software, hardware manufacturers get no revenue from supporting hardware items that they have superseded with newer and more capable technology.

    No revenue means no future for an industry.

    It is just the way that things are done with today's technology - that machines which are still in perfect working order, because they do not handle today's media, are scrapped and recycled to make way for current, but increasingly obsolescent machines.

    If you are not connected to reliable, fast, affordable broadband, the chances are that you will lose out, since you will be unable to take advantage of contemporary software advances which, in turn, will tie you to legacy hardware and distribution methods.

    It is not Microsoft's fault that they need to keep moving forwards to avoid stagnation. Like a shark, if they stop moving, they will run out of oxygen and die, and so will the whole ecosystem.

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    Seems a step backward, I thought 8 actually ran on systems where windows 7 had trouble running. I had heard so many people were happy cos they were able to stick 8 into old systems and get some continued use out of them.

    Now they wanna take a big step back, and increase the definition of "Planned Obsolescence" to now refer to things that were made just one year ago. I actually have the motherboard they are talking about there, I was planning on sticking Windows 8 on it once I got the Core Duo I just ordered for it. I guess I won't be sticking 8.1 on it.

    Although I agree that companies need to develop new techs and software or die, but the most well known and most often used hardware makers keep drivers for hardware going back 15 to 20 years. Nearly all OEM websites have a "Legacy" section, and it does not lose them any money to keep it. Dell, for instance, if I could not get into a legacy section to download specific drivers, an otherwise useful motherboard would have to be thrown away. I've got 3 Dell Workstations that I have kept running that depend on that.

    I love nothing better than to make a new system and put all the newest hardware in it, unless it is talking a 20 year old computer and making it run great. I have an apple museum on my workbench, all the way back to an LC-II.
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    When you look through the Microsoft support webpages, most of the references now say Windows 8.1 - its like Windows 8 is getting written out of history - becoming an unOS in Orwellian terms. When you can't download it, support it or find hardware to support it in a year's time, did it really exist, or did I imagine that there was a Windows 8?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ztruker View Post
    Sorry, but I disagree.
    You don't have to apologize for your opinion. We all have one and are entitled. You have valid points of which I listen to. Just like I tell my fiance, children, and loved ones > Sometimes we have to agree to disagree if we want to get along as long as no one's opinion denies the facts.

    It is Microsoft's fault that they removed support from the kernel for processors that were supported in 8.0. It is an update since it's available from the store as an update. You don't have to buy a DVD or download a ISO to install it.

    I see it exactly like when they released SP3 for XP. It was an update available through Windows Update but at the same time they refreshed the release channels so new CDs were at the SP3 level.
    Fact > It has always been stated that it is an upgrade, not an update no matter how one obtains it. I continue to stand by and the fact remains that 8.1 is in fact a new edition. 8.1 is not called 8 SP1. I see it more as Windows 98SE. It was a newer edition than Windows 98. They were very similar. Were some machines that ran Windows 98 able to upgrade to Windows 98SE? No. Probably few machines as in this scenario.

    They should have waited until the next major releases, Windows 9 or whatever it's going to be called, to make this significant a change.
    Unfortunately sometimes it's one of life's quirks. We all have to deal with the facts. The fact remains that MS saw fit to make major kernel changes and are performing things in a different manner than they have in the past. Please don't think for one minute that I agree with it or that I don't feel bad for those that are left out. Not at all. I would for sure be disappointed being in your predicament.

    The real problem lies in the fact that MS will not support 8 with the usual period of time. That to me is not right then they should correct or compensate it by some means.

    Like I stated > I got lucky stretching this older Acer to 8.1. I don't think I'll make it to 8.2, 9, or whatever they'll call it. Odds will probably have it that I will have to upgrade to a new machine.

    Has anyone tested whether or not 8.1 x86 will run on those particular machines? At least that may be some saving grace. Perhaps Intel will release a firmware update. Hopefully so.

    Good luck to you and to others.
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    On the plus side, this give me a good excuse to buy a new computer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ztruker View Post
    On the plus side, this give me a good excuse to buy a new computer
    Lol! You must have a wife.
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