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  1. #31


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    win8.1.1 enterprise


    average joe never heard of recimg ,i never[and im just a step above average ,lol] ,and average user doesn't ever backup there own personal data .so is it necessary for them to have a win disk of some sort , to fallback on

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  2. #32


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    Windows 10 Pro Prieview x64


    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    average joe never heard of recimg ,i never[and im just a step above average ,lol] ,and average user doesn't ever backup there own personal data .so is it necessary for them to have a win disk of some sort , to fallback on
    True - but you don't get one when you buy a PC either.

    Recimg is here: Refresh Windows 8 - Create and Use Custom Recovery Image If you make a CustomRefresh using this after installing all your programs you can refresh to it if you can boot into windows and not have to re-install apps/programs. After upgrade would be a good time. You loose your personal data. A useful tool.

    If you make system image and recovery drive on CD or USB you can boot the recovery drive and restore the image keeping your personal data as well. System Image - Create in Windows 8

    Both need doing before your system breaks of course. If you upgraded to 8.1 and made no backups and there is no iso then worst case you might have to get the 8 iso, clean install, upgrade, intall apps and have lost all your data (if you didn't back that up either). Hopefully at this point you would make a backup. :-) It would be nice if there was an 8.1 iso in this situation but if there isn't then there isn't. You can mitigate this by backup strategy.

    On a related note, File History doesn't backup SkyDrive folders. If you want to do that you'll need to think of another way - see here Making backups of files and system
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  3. #33


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    Windows 8.1 64-bit


    Oh and another question about upgrading to Windows 8. At Microsoft website the upgrade cost 290$, and on eBay it cost about 80$, is there a catch here?
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  4. #34


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    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    average joe never heard of recimg ,i never[and im just a step above average ,lol] ,and average user doesn't ever backup there own personal data .so is it necessary for them to have a win disk of some sort , to fallback on
    True - but you don't get one when you buy a PC either.

    Recimg is here: Refresh Windows 8 - Create and Use Custom Recovery Image If you make a CustomRefresh using this after installing all your programs you can refresh to it if you can boot into windows and not have to re-install apps/programs. After upgrade would be a good time. You loose your personal data. A useful tool.

    If you make system image and recovery drive on CD or USB you can boot the recovery drive and restore the image keeping your personal data as well. System Image - Create in Windows 8

    Both need doing before your system breaks of course. If you upgraded to 8.1 and made no backups and there is no iso then worst case you might have to get the 8 iso, clean install, upgrade, intall apps and have lost all your data (if you didn't back that up either). Hopefully at this point you would make a backup. :-) It would be nice if there was an 8.1 iso in this situation but if there isn't then there isn't. You can mitigate this by backup strategy.

    On a related note, File History doesn't backup SkyDrive folders. If you want to do that you'll need to think of another way - see here Making backups of files and system
    thanks for the info, i ran Recimg ,it said i needed 54gig of space for my backup ,will check it out later and maybe run it to make the backup to a external drive
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  5. #35


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    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post

    thanks for the info, i ran Recimg ,it said i needed 54gig of space for my backup ,will check it out later and maybe run it to make the backup to a external drive
    If you want to make backup smaller you can disable hibernation and page file as these are backed up to the image, run recimg and then turn them back on. You would have to remember to turn them on again after refresh though.

    My CustomRefresh is 7.8GB but 8.1 is smaller that 8.

    Hibernate - Enable or Disable - Windows 7 Help Forums

    Page file is:

    >System
    >Advanced system Settings
    >Advanced
    >Performance Settings
    >Advanced
    >Change Virtual Memory
    >Set page file to "No paging file" and reboot. After creating CustomRefresh you can set it back to "System Managed" and let Windows take care of it.
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  6. #36


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by mibaup View Post
    Oh and another question about upgrading to Windows 8. At Microsoft website the upgrade cost 290$, and on eBay it cost about 80$, is there a catch here?
    I'm not sure if you mean $290 US dollars or not, if you do that's not right. The upgrade is $199.
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  7. #37


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    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by mibaup View Post
    Oh and another question about upgrading to Windows 8. At Microsoft website the upgrade cost 290$, and on eBay it cost about 80$, is there a catch here?
    I would be careful about buying from ebay, but here in the UK I could buy the Upgrade from Windows 7/Vista/XP to Windows 8 Pro for £60, direct from Amazon, or £70 from a big chain of bricks-and-mortar electrical stores, (so I think they're genuine) but the same thing from Microsoft costs £190.

    So Microsoft do charge a lot more than some other reputable sources, in the UK.
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  8. #38


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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    Well...

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    if your hard drive goes bad
    You could restore from latest system image

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    if you get infected
    Likewise if you had to

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    if your system files get loused up
    You can use DISM

    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    iIn fact Microsoft sets up Refresh functions that will not work without it
    You refresh to your CustomRefresh.wim made by recimg. I do this a lot - the added advantage is you keep all of your programs.

    If you don't want to boot into Windows or can't there is PE, Recovery Drive, Windows to go, Linux live CD.... I'm not saying it isn't convenient but not really necessary if you have some sort of backup strategy, at least I've not needed it and can't imagine a situation where I would. Having said that I do have 8.1 on the USB that I installed it with :-)

    I agree, all of these are valid re-install functions, but nothing beats an In Place Install, if you intend to keep your system in the exact state it was before problems arose. Sometimes DISM fails to fix things, sometimes SFC refuses to run.

    IN fact, my Windows 7 installation could not be repaired by either SFC, or In Place Install, although I never tried DISM on Windows 7. which was why I upgraded to Windows 8 from 7 in the first place. But in doing so, it transferred my corrupt Dot Net files into Windows 8 and I still can't repair them. But everything else works great. I don't run my Media Apps on this system anyway, which is what I need Dot Net for.

    I installed 8 first on a fresh blank drive, after I was sure I liked it, I instantly upgraded to 8 on this machine. I'm totally happy with 9 and less than happy about 8.1.
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  9. #39


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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by mibaup View Post
    Oh and another question about upgrading to Windows 8. At Microsoft website the upgrade cost 290$, and on eBay it cost about 80$, is there a catch here?

    You MAY be getting a bad Key with eBay.
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  10. #40


    Posts : 81
    Windows 8.1 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mibaup View Post
    Oh and another question about upgrading to Windows 8. At Microsoft website the upgrade cost 290$, and on eBay it cost about 80$, is there a catch here?

    You MAY be getting a bad Key with eBay.
    Well but these are top rated sellers that are on the eBay's daily deal so I guess they're safe
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