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Windows 8 is Awful

  1. #11


    P.S.
    What does "EE" stand for ?
    Electrical Engineer.

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  2. #12


    Quote Originally Posted by xunile View Post
    P.S.
    What does "EE" stand for ?
    Electrical Engineer.
    Oh, I thought it has something to do with M$ .
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  3. #13


    Welcome to Windows EightForums, ekessler43.

    Quote Originally Posted by ekessler43 View Post
    Windows 8 is the worst OS it has ever been my misfortune to be forced to use.
    Yes, Windows 8 seems to be a-love-it-or-hate-it type of OS. More so than past OS transitions. Much more of a learning curve for sure. Others and I are enjoying the experience, though. In fact, if one looks up the poll threads on this forum one will see that most like it. Of course most of us are partial here for we joined the forum for support to learn the OS. I wouldn't think most would stick around and waste time on something they didn't like. At least I wouldn't.

    Your system specs doesn't reveal what model your Dell PC is. Is it new? Did 8 come preloaded on it? Just wondering why you stated that you're "forced" to use it.

    BTW, that's one of the strongest negative opening sentences of an OP I've seen in a while. That "lays it on the line" as they say. There's no doubt you conveyed that you don't like 8 or at least your experience with it thus far.

    First, I keep getting these inane popups asking me to install all kinds of programs I don't want or need.
    As davehc asked > What popups? Inane? I would say most on here have never heard of this before. The only time I ever got a popup to install MS software was when upon attempting to install an MS program it states I need another MS program that accomidates it, such as .NET Frameworks, Silverlight, etc. Flash Player and Reader would be common non MS ones. If your PC be new, would it be Dell crapware popups? Please specify.

    Second, there seems to be no easy way to get back to the desktop without individually minimizing each open app.
    Well, how did you accomplish that in past OSs? I can think of many > WinKey/D being one since I'm big on shortcut keying. Holding Alt key then tapping Tab key has been around for awhile. Configuring the Desktop "Peek" in Taskbar Properties, then mouse pointer upper right corner to peek, and left mouse click for Desktop has been around also (Snip inserted below). There's a Desktop tile on the Start Screen. Press WinKey > type "desktop" > Enter key gets one there. I would imagine if one was desperate one could create a Desktop shortcut on the good 'ole Taskbar as well.

    Third, what did MS do to the Start button. They got rid of this very useful utility for reasons known only to their stupid engineering minds (and BTW, I am an EE by training).
    I'll assume that EE is for Electrical Engineering as xunile has stated. If that be true, you must be a great engineer to outsmart one of the biggest software companies on the planet. Because they got rid of it + you found it useful = they are stupid? Here's why they got rid of it > Less and less users were using it as time went on: Designing the Start screen.

    Plus they needed a launching platform for touch UI, which is an input method that seems to becoming very popular. This platform works just as well with mouse and keyboard.

    Fourth, shutting off the computer takes a technical expertise that would make most people want to migrate immediately to Apple products if they weren't so expensive.
    Yes, items are in different places since the Start Orb/Menu is gone. The introduction of the Charms Bar (WinKey/C or mouse pointer to the right upper/lower hot corner) > Settings > Power is one of the biggest changes from past OSs. Again, created for touch, and yet again, works just as well with mouse (and keyboard) as djsigma explained above.

    There are, of course, the traditional means and shortcut of shutting down as some have mentioned here. I use the good 'ole Alt/F4 > Enter (then choose option) on a blank Desktop most of the time.

    Like I stated earlier, there is a bigger learning curve to 8. It may be only for the few that are persistant at learning. From the stats I read only 20% will want to do so.

    Fifth, even though I am using the version of IE that came with the computer, IE will not hold my personal home page. My ISP is Verizon/Yahoo.
    Any OS or program that I have ever installed is not perfect by any means. Have you? Obviously there's a minor problem with your system or there's something in settings that's configured wrong. As an Engineer I'm sure you know Murphy's law that "if anything that can go wrong it will". Computers have a dbl whammy > hardware and software.

    e.g. Just yesterday I went to use a shortcut for a site in my Favorites that I use quite a lot, but it wasn't there. After performing a quick search in Windows File Explorer, I found that it simply dissapeared. I thought that strange. Perhaps I deleted it by mistake? I didn't dwell in the problem, for I simply added it again. No big deal if the problem doesn't continue.

    Is it a persistant problem you have with your home page?

    I could go on, but that's enough complaining for starters.
    Lol! Thank the gods because most of us that have been members here for awhile have heard it all, believe you me. I think davehc just stated it best, especially in his point #3.

    Edit: Oops! Forgot the snip...

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  4. #14


    ekessler43: I understand your frustration with Win8 -- and it has become one of the more polarizing of MS's OS experiments.

    Folks tend to either "love" the new Tiles UI or "hate" it.

    As for me, I lost no time installing Start8, to get the start menu back, and spend nearly all my time in the Win8 "Desktop" -- together with the Gadgets I brought over from Win7. I also installed Windowblinds to get back the 3D-look of the Win7 UI -- as I don't like the new "flat" look.

    As for the Win 8.1 "upgrade", my view is that it is little more than Win8 SP1 -- MS added a few features. I have a hard time believing that Win 8.1 is really going to win anyone over who already doesn't like Win8. I tried out the preview and saw nothing compelling to force an upgrade -- but if they offer it for free, then I will probably install it.
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  5. #15


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    windows 8 64 bit


    when I first used windows 8 back when it was preview I hated it, and continued to use Linux. I have recently purchased and installed win8 on my desktop and when using any new OS whether it be windows, Linux or OSX there is going to be a learning curve I stuck at it and now I like windows 8. I use a couple of tiles in metro mainly mail and music, and the desktop for other stuff like IE.

    when win8.1 is released I will upgrade.
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  6. #16


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by ekessler43 View Post
    Windows 8 is the worst OS it has ever been my misfortune to be forced to use.
    A bit of an over reaction, don't you think? I find that most people seem to have some very strong opinions that have no logical basis. They tend to be simple personal preference.

    I won't address everything, since others have done so.. but i'll just point out a few things.

    Quote Originally Posted by ekessler43 View Post
    Second, there seems to be no easy way to get back to the desktop without individually minimizing each open app.
    The desktop is now an "application", so you can always get to it by simply going to the start screen (hitting the windows key is the easiest), and selecting the desktop tile (clicking on it, or keyboarding to it and hitting enter). You can also do WinKey+D as a shortcut key. Or, if the desktop is already open, use the ages old alt-tab to switch between the current app and the desktop or any other apps currently running. Most of this works exactly like windows has always worked.

    Quote Originally Posted by ekessler43 View Post
    Third, what did MS do to the Start button. They got rid of this very useful utility for reasons known only to their stupid engineering minds (and BTW, I am an EE by training).
    They have brought the button back in 8.1, but not the start menu. That's gone for good. The reason is that the start menu does not scale well, and is difficult for those with disabilities to use, it's also more difficult for larger interfaces such as touch, pen, and other input forms.

    Quote Originally Posted by ekessler43 View Post
    Fourth, shutting off the computer takes a technical expertise that would make most people want to migrate immediately to Apple products if they weren't so expensive.
    I'm sorry. How much technical expertise does it take to press the power button? This is how shutting off a device works for *EVERY SINGLE DEVICE ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET*. Except Windows, apparently. You turn devices on and off with the same simple button. Your phone, your TV, your Car, your electric razor, your lights, everything... You're an EE, i'm sure you've designed devices that work exactly this way.

    You have been able to shut down windows this way for at least 10 years.. Now, Microsoft is nudging you even further. Just use the power button.

    Quote Originally Posted by ekessler43 View Post
    Fifth, even though I am using the version of IE that came with the computer, IE will not hold my personal home page. My ISP is Verizon/Yahoo.
    Of course it will. You will have to be more specific.
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  7. #17


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    Windows 8 is the worst OS it has ever been my misfortune to be forced to use
    You are not telling us anything new. Plenty of people have found themselves with it by an error of omission or commission. If it came pre installed, you may be able to return the machine to the store, or install a different os. It would be interesting to know what the returns rate has been.

    I only know 4 people who had a win8 machine. 2 returned them , the third installed win7, the other simply doesn't use it.

    8.1 is alleged to be an improvement. Some may think so, apparently not everybody does:

    The vast majority of the changes in Windows 8, and more so Windows 8.1, are designed purely to lure people into the Metro environment, so Microsoft can cash in.... And it really is surprising just how blatant Microsoft has been in ignoring user wishes to the contrary.
    What's not so surprising is that this rather bold approach to herding... PC users...has unequivocally backfired on Microsoft.

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  8. #18


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    64-bit Windows 10


    Note   Note
    Let's keep this thread helpful and constructive and not turn it into an unhelpful bashing session shall we.


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  9. #19


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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit


    I will try to be a bit more positive as Brink has requested.

    On first use coming from 7 or XP, it is awful. But it can be made much less awful if you want more of a PC than tablet experience. There are many ways to tweak it to the point it is really not that much different from 7.

    I was ready to dump it myself the first hour or two I explored it when it came installed on my laptop. Then I started dumping the bloatware and got one of the Start third party programs. It is now to the point I can barely tell the difference other than the visuals due to no Aero Glass. The third party glass programs are too new for me to take the leap and try one.

    In the end, it is what Microsoft has decided to put forth for the foreseeable future. I personally can live with it with the tweaks. Does take effort on the user's part though that really shouldn't be necessary. You would think Microsoft could have designed the install where the user could select whether they want default desktop interface or the Metro interface. Wouldn't think that would be so difficult.
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  10. #20


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    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    I've tweaked it until it isn't that much different from XP Pro.
    Windows Paint has new features.
    DISM is nice.
    I use the metro screen as a screen-saver.
    Enabling the boot menu in bios helps.(F-12 to get into boot menu at restart)
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