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Blurry text problem has not been fixed in Win 8.1 RTM

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by acr731 View Post
    Little things like this are why Windows 8 only has 7% share of the total market.
    That's due to a combination of being knew, and people believing the crap they read about Windows 8, such as some kind of text issue. it hasn't been fixed, because it doesn't exist, simply put. I work in a company where the majority of employees are over 55. Many of them have the same complaint as you, that at native resolutions, icons and text can be small. Anytime, I repeat, anytime you alter an LCD to a non-native resolution, the image itself is blurry. We are using Windows 7, and I can tell you this to be 100% true. The suggestion to increase the size from 100% to 125% is the only thing you can do without altering the quality of the image.

    Feel free to join an ever-decreasing club of people who feel something is wrong with Windows 8/8.1. If there was an issue, it would have been resolved, or there would be workarounds. I'm not finding any documentation to prove such an issue exists...just many forum posts similar to your rant...and all are using non-native resolutions.

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  2. #12


    I've given up on using either 7 or 8 because font rendering is broken. On my hardware -- Dell U2410 1920x1200 at 96 dpi and ThinkPad W530 1920x1080 at 142 dpi -- the rendering is the worst I've seen. Native resolution, no scaling, good video cards. I see pixelation, smearing, uneven tone in bolded text, gray artifacts inside loops and adjacent to large bold characters.

    Smoothing is on. Cleartype is on, but adjusting it has lttle impact. None of the examples it shows me are good enough


    This isn't a matter of taste or preference. I have $400 wasted in Win 7/8 install packages because MS can't handle fonts any better than it did 15 years ago.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    What blurry text problem? I have yet to see any text that doesn't look sharp, and I have seen it on a number of configurations. Are you sure it's not a driver issue? Did you install the NVidia 8.1 beta drivers? By the way, this is News? Posting in the news section?

    Could it be your monitor has a goofy sub-pixel format?
    i agree ,not a issue on my older Dell
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  4. #14


    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    i agree ,not a issue on my older Dell
    I had to turn the sharpness control of my Dell display to 20 percent before I couldn't distinguish individual pixels in text. By then, the entire screen was mottled and unusable.

    Font smoothing does not make text look blurry to me. it makes it look sharp and correctly formed. I.e., straight lines should look like solid straight lines, not lines of pixels with gaps in between. Curves, loops and circles should not look like staggered piles of square pixels.
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by joncr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    i agree ,not a issue on my older Dell
    I had to turn the sharpness control of my Dell display to 20 percent before I couldn't distinguish individual pixels in text. By then, the entire screen was mottled and unusable.

    Font smoothing does not make text look blurry to me. it makes it look sharp and correctly formed. I.e., straight lines should look like solid straight lines, not lines of pixels with gaps in between. Curves, loops and circles should not look like staggered piles of square pixels.
    so it a monitor issue ,my monitors are 1-SyncMaster 205 and 2- a View Sonic ,both work great with win8 and win8.1, pro and win 8.1 enterprise, i make no setting changes at all in win8 .
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  6. #16


    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    so it a monitor issue ,my monitors are 1-SyncMaster 205 and 2- a View Sonic ,both work great with win8 and win8.1, pro and win 8.1 enterprise, i make no setting changes at all in win8 .
    No, it is not a monitor issue. Text rendered by OS X and Linux on that monitor looks just fine. I see the same deficiencies on the display of my ThinkPad. I have a friend who has a collection of expensive displays in her photo studio and the fonts look no better there.

    Again, this is not a matter of my taste or preference. The characters are not displayed correctly. The center of an "o" should be empty, not filled with something that looks like a gray spiderweb.. The left side of a "D" or an "E" or an "L" should be flat and smooth, not bulging irregularly with dark pixels. A black 48 pt character should not be shadowed by gray artifacts or look like it is rendered in two tones of black.

    I'd give Windows another try if someone could suggest something new. I've been told to adjust Cleartype. As I said, that doesn't change much of anything. I've been told to buy a new monitor or a new video card. That's not going to happen. I've been told to buy a display with higher DPI. My thinkPad runs at 142 DPI. Try to find something higher in the mainstream.

    Obviously, a lot of people like Windows font rendering. There are even people who like XP rendering with Cleartype and smoothing off. (That text looks like it's made with sausage links to me.) But, there are also a lot of people who don't like it, and there are people like me who think it is essentially unusable.

    What's most disappointing to me is that, apart from the rather useless Cleartype, there seems to be no way to alter the font rendering, for better or for worse.
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  7. #17


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    Yes, it is a monitor issue. If it works fine on most monitors, but not yours.. then it's a monitor issue. I've seen Windows 8 on roughly 2000 systems, with hundreds of configurations and hardware.. Not one of them has had these font problems you speak of.

    Yet somehow, all you see are font problems everywhere you look. Weird, isn't it? If this isn't a personal preference thing, then it's a monitor thing, or a calibration thing. It's one or the other, because the vast majority of people don't seem to have any problem with Windows font rendering. I can buy that you may have a piece of hardware that doesn't work well with the rendering, but if you see bad rendering everywhere you look, then there's something else going on here.

    I recall I had this friend who used to complain all the time about how unstable Windows was. One day, I went with him to buy a new computer. When he got it home, the first thing he did was open up Windows explorer and start deleting system DLL's. I asked what the hell he was doing, and he said "I have always don this... I got an email years ago that told me to delete these files because they were dangerous".

    So, restoring his system and telling him NOT to do this, he found his system worked without crashing. He had always just been doing something stupid, and then blaming Windows for his problems for years. I suspect there is something like that going on here, since the people that complain about this tend to be "tweakers".. they're always playing with settings and changing things, and my guess is that they always do some setting that they think helps their system but hinders it, and they don't even realize it. Then they blame Windows for it.
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  8. #18


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    [QUOTE=joncr;274309]
    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post


    Again, this is not a matter of my taste or preference. The characters are not displayed correctly. The center of an "o" should be empty, not filled with something that looks like a gray spiderweb.. The left side of a "D" or an "E" or an "L" should be flat and smooth, not bulging irregularly with dark pixels. A black 48 pt character should not be shadowed by gray artifacts or look like it is rendered in two tones of black.

    .
    maybe i just don't see it or i need new glasses , the attachment is a web page from Firefox browser and it looks fine to me,i some time use 3 different browsers on my computer and they all seem to be doing there job of rendering fonts.
    could you post a screen show of how bad yours looks
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  9. #19


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    or maybe this is what you mean,from fonts in control panel .
    but this is the only place i see this .
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  10. #20


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    What blurry text problem?
    Got it on several HP laptops. Especially visible in IE > makes it unuseable.

    see Poor font rendering in Windows 8 (blurry text) - Microsoft Community
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