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A few days with Windows RT - comments, questions

  1. #11


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    OK, I found two "Kind of" Browsers, WCS Multi-Search Browser and one other, that gives you four windows. But they are sucky browsers.

    I was able to make a post in here with the WCS browser - Basically, it's a multi-search browser with predefined categories, to be used for searching not for posting.

    I am utterly shocked that there are NONE of the usual browsers available in the store! What gives!!! I just did a search for Firefox, nothing! So we get to use the crappy Tile-IE and NOTHING else?

    I've got about 10 good browsers installed on my iPhone! I even have one that can use Flash. This sucks.

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  2. #12


    Redmond
    Posts : 651
    Windows 8.1 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    I didn't understand how RT actually was, apologies. I was assuming it was like iOS or Droid where there is no desktop environment at all.

    If Word/Office can be installed, there is no way to trick the interface to allow Chrome to be installed? This makes me dislike the OS even more, no available Tile Only Chrome.

    DAMN! No Opera, no Mercury, no Photon, no Skyfire - NOTHING. I don't see who would even WANT RT if there are no other Browsers at all, a store search with the word "Browser" only renders a bunch of FAKE apps.
    That's OK - no worries. The reason you can't install other browsers is because, at least the way it is now, you cannot install a non-Microsoft ARM desktop binary without it being signed by Microsoft (outside of the store, of course - those are modern apps only). The reason this is important is because browsers, on Windows 8 (and thus RT), must be both "modern" and desktop browsers, and you can only have one default (which becomes the default, and only, "modern" browser on the system). Since you cannot install a non-Microsoft-signed ARM desktop binary, you can't install another browser on RT other than IE. Since there are no ARM installation packages for Firefox, or Chrome, or any other browsers that I'm aware of for Windows, this is the state of affairs.
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  3. #13


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Well, then how does Word get installed on it then, cos I know there is no real Word tile app? Is it a built in version?

    The more I hear of this, the more I either wanna get RT so I can bust it open, or just avoid it altogether. Can it install onto a Desktop PC?
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  4. #14


    Posts : 2,627
    win8.1.1 enterprise


    i though that it was only the surface pro could install the office word and other desktop apps ,and be like a real Windows computer .

    if that don't make sense it because i had to many beers .
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  5. #15


    Redmond
    Posts : 651
    Windows 8.1 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Well, then how does Word get installed on it then, cos I know there is no real Word tile app? Is it a built in version?
    Read very carefully what I wrote:
    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    ...you cannot install a non-Microsoft ARM desktop binary without it being signed by Microsoft (outside of the store, of course - those are modern apps only).
    Who do you think signs the Microsoft Office binaries?
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  6. #16


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Windows RT is *IDENTICAL* to Windows 8, complete with desktop, metro, control panel, etc.. Everything is the same, except that it is compiled for the ARM CPU that is incompatible with x86/x64 applications. This CPU is very low power (which is why ARM devices can go 10-15 hours on a single charge) and does not have the horsepower to emulate an x86 process to allow emulated execution of legacy applications.

    In addition, Windows RT has enabled some configurations of Windows 8 that are not on by default in the x86/x64 version, such as requiring signed binaries, and secure boot.

    Most Windows RT devices (if not all) come with Microsoft Office for RT, which is the normal desktop windows application versions of Office, but recompiled for ARM and signed by Microsoft.

    Microsoft does not yet allow any third parties to produce desktop binaries for ARM devices.

    Google Chrome and Firefox are Win32 desktop applications that can also be installed as "hybrid" apps that can also be used in Metro mode. But they are still Win32 apps, thus they can't work on RT.

    That's not to say that someone could not write a WinRT (WinRT is the API used by Metro applications, Windows RT is the brand name of the OS for ARM, don't confuse them. WinRT is to Win32 as Windows RT is to Windows 8) native browser (that is not a Win32 app), but that's a lot of work, and nobody has yet done so.
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