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To Microsoft: 8.1 ISO wanted no account via the store

  1. #11


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Screw that! I'm sure I'll be able to get ISO from somewhere, I wont worry abotu it until it happens. I have no intention of installing 8,1 actually.

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  2. #12


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    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1


    I agree, with jimbo.

    Microsoft have never made ISO's or Recovery DVD's for OEM manufacturer.

    Core Licenses.zip

    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft
    15. SUPPORT AND REFUND PROCEDURES

    For the software generally, contact the manufacturer or installer for support options. Refer to the support number provided with the software. For updates and supplements obtained directly from Microsoft, Microsoft may provide limited support services as described at support.microsoft.com/common/international.aspx. If you are using software that is not properly licensed, you will not be entitled to receive support services.
    If you are seeking a refund, contact the manufacturer or installer to determine its return policy for a refund or credit. You must comply with that policy, which might require you to return the software with the entire computer on which the software is installed for a refund.
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  3. #13


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    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    I agree, with jimbo.

    Microsoft have never made ISO's or Recovery DVD's for OEM manufacturer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft
    15. SUPPORT AND REFUND PROCEDURES
    I think Support could be the key to why there won't be an ISO.

    If you buy a new Windows 8 PC from an OEM today, then you should be able to get support from the OEM within the first year (or whatever the warranty period is), because they've sold you a product.

    If you buy a Windows 8 upgrade from an earlier Windows edition, Microsoft take on an extra responsibility to provide some support, because they've sold you a product. And because you can use an ISO to totally wipe away the operating system, some people need that.

    Along comes Windows 8.1, but if you had the option to upgrade via an ISO, you've lost the OEM build and you can mess up the PC totally. Some of what you lose is bloatware which people don't like, but you can also lose some things are very useful, such as the Factory Restore partition and extra function keys where the OEM provide you software to match the labels they put on the keyboard. If you lose the Factory Restore partition, and call the OEM for support when something goes wrong, their life is much trickier.

    And don't forget that on October 17th 2013, every Windows 8 PC that was sold via consumer routes is less than a year old and most likely still under warranty in many countries, so people will expect support from their OEM.

    You won't pay Microsoft anything for the 8 -> 8.1 upgrade, so Microsoft don't want to provide the extra support that they provide when they sell an upgrade.

    Hence the lowest risk option for Microsoft, and probably to keep the OEMs happy as well, is to restrict it to updating via the Store, keeping all the OEM Factory Restore options, Function key mappings etc., but also all the bloatware.
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  4. #14


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    I think one reason why there was an ISO released for the preview was so anyone could try it, even if you didn't have 8 already installed. That would also let you dual boot or run it in a VM. ISO's will show up in the wild at some point, likely shortly after they show up on TechNet or MSDN. The free updates though the store will have to accept your 8 product code. It likely just checks for a legally activated Windows 8 install. Disks made from an ISO, who knows?
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  5. #15


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    win8.1.1 enterprise


    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Screw that! I'm sure I'll be able to get ISO from somewhere, I wont worry abotu it until it happens. I have no intention of installing 8,1 actually.
    just say the word ,when they come out , and im sure you will find one ,hint, hint,lol
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  6. #16


    USA
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Screw that! I'm sure I'll be able to get ISO from somewhere, I wont worry abotu it until it happens. I have no intention of installing 8,1 actually.
    just say the word ,when they come out , and im sure you will find one ,hint, hint,lol
    Don't know what the future holds but this is the sort of thing that promotes piracy.

    And no, I don't condone or support piracy, and have said so many times. I'm just pointing out that if there isn't general access to ISO's, people will be doing whatever they can to get one. And this place will be lit up with "illegal" posts asking for such files.

    Bottom line is I see no reason to not offer an ISO. But... as I said, we don't know what the future is. Hopefully it includes ISO's.
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  7. #17


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    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Screw that! I'm sure I'll be able to get ISO from somewhere, I wont worry abotu it until it happens. I have no intention of installing 8,1 actually.
    just say the word ,when they come out , and im sure you will find one ,hint, hint,lol
    Don't know what the future holds but this is the sort of thing that promotes piracy.

    And no, I don't condone or support piracy, and have said so many times. I'm just pointing out that if there isn't general access to ISO's, people will be doing whatever they can to get one. And this place will be lit up with "illegal" posts asking for such files.

    Bottom line is I see no reason to not offer an ISO. But... as I said, we don't know what the future is. Hopefully it includes ISO's.
    reread it ,not one serious work in my post !
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  8. #18


    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Well I used an ISO I found to make an 8.1 VM. I was not impressed, I think 8 is better.
    Yeah, you can get ISOs of the Preview, but Microsoft have said that there won't be ISOs for consumers of the full release of 8.1.

    It's in the comments on this blog post:
    Mark your calendars for Windows 8.1!

    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon LeBlanc from Microsoft
    Consumers will only be able to get Windows 8.1 for free through the Windows Store. ISO images wont be made available broadly for consumers. For most consumers, the Windows Store is the easiest and most efficient route for updating a Windows 8 device to Windows 8.1.
    This is surely an idiotic, nonsense "policy" if there ever was one. After "8.1" ships, if Microsoft develops amnesia in terms of a stand-alone 8.0-8.1 patch, or an 8.1 ISO to replace the 8.0 ISO's we already have, then Microsoft is going to actually create a market schism native to its latest version of Windows--which is crazy beyond belief. You can't make kernel changes and other basic changes to Win8.0 and then try and support two separate flavors of Win8--8.0 and 8.1, in perpetuity. That's nuts...

    Everybody understands that Microsoft wants to promote the Windows store. But what about the fact that people and businesses alike are used to and comfortable with both stand-alone OS service patches and the normal Windows Update mechanisms? WIndows store is not and cannot replace either of those distribution methods.

    I do not see how Microsoft can do anything *but* a) offer an 8.0-8.1 service patch via Windows update, and b) offer an 8.1 ISO so that its customers can replace their current 8.0 ISOs with the 8.1 ISO--in addition to whatever it does through the Windows store. That is--IF Microsoft wants to make 8.1 the ongoing Win8 standard. If this is *not* what Microsoft wants to do with 8.1, then I'm prepared to sign the commitment papers on the company myself...!
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  9. #19


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Screw that! I'm sure I'll be able to get ISO from somewhere, I wont worry abotu it until it happens. I have no intention of installing 8,1 actually.
    just say the word ,when they come out , and im sure you will find one ,hint, hint,lol
    Don't know what the future holds but this is the sort of thing that promotes piracy.

    And no, I don't condone or support piracy, and have said so many times. I'm just pointing out that if there isn't general access to ISO's, people will be doing whatever they can to get one. And this place will be lit up with "illegal" posts asking for such files.

    Bottom line is I see no reason to not offer an ISO. But... as I said, we don't know what the future is. Hopefully it includes ISO's.
    I've never been NOT able to find what I've needed in ISO format. No ISO's being released really won't stop anything, people will just make them.

    If MS wants to stop it, then they should not have activation cack in their OSes. People see that, and say screw it, find ways around it. Which was my point, nobody BOTHERS with Apple Stuff, because it never has that poop in it.

    Except for iOS - It's restricted now, which makes what? THOUSANDS of people suddenly start working together and they bust it open. Which they would not do, if the OS was not so restricted. All Windows OSes and all regular Apple OSes can be modified all kinds of ways, but iOS is locked, so because the LOCK exists it must needs be picked.
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  10. #20


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    The other issue - Which is WAY more important than the legal or Ill aspects of any ISO images, is that in order for me to repair an OS I MUST HAVE the IOS image of that exact version of Windows.

    MS not giving us what we need? Then we'll obtain it some other way, until they change this idiocy it will keep getting worse.
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