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Can I change hardware and improve Win8 Font Rendering?

  1. #21


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Maybe the marked deterioration in performance is related to some MS "Downdate" - That's why I refrain from ANY updates at all for at least a week.

    Maybe you could do a refresh of full re-install, and keep track of what happens as the system deteriorates, like what was it doing?

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  2. #22


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Actually, the nicest looking screen I have is on my Mac G5 Titanium tower, and 21" Cinematic display, running 10.5.8
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  3. #23


    I routinely grab all available updates immediately after an install. Maybe I ought not to.

    I dunno what the machine was up to for those initial 2-3 hours, but I was browsing with IE and Firefox, the sole download.

    If I was really patient and had the time, I'd run the updates one at a time, then setup one tweak at a time, rebooting at each point to see if the fonts had suddenly gone wonky.
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  4. #24


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Yah, don't ever grab em all at once. Because it is possible you downloaded a Driver update for your Video Card, and the drivers MS provides for those updates are notoriously unstable. Also, they will automatically update themselves- You have to shut off automatic up[dating, tell it to NEVER install the updates automatically. Because it will be downloading them for that few hours you are messing with it - Then when you reboot, it will apply the updates and therefore fook it up.

    Loo, the OS works well enough right after a fresh install, it really doesn't need any updates. The only updates you should allow are 1) Driver updates but no VIDEO driver updates, 2) Regular Updates - That tell you what they are going to do - If they do not have a full description, pass on it. 3) Updates for Dot net and Security updates for dot net.

    These are the ones that are important, but you can live without them. Never ever grab a video card update offered by MS, always download those form the actual OEM.

    I'll bet you that all of these instances of bad graphics are due to MS Video Card updates.
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  5. #25


    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    I'll bet you that all of these instances of bad graphics are due to MS Video Card updates.
    I swapped the MS and Nvidia drivers in and out without noticing any impact on font rendering. There are numerous suggestions to fuss with the anti-aliasing settings on Nvidia. No impact.

    Windows 8 renders fonts differently by design. Among other things, that means Metro UI and apps, IE10 and the new Office won't look good on currently available desktop monitors, regardless of Cleartype settings. My guess is that the ugliness many of us are seeing in *desktop* font rendering is down to a bug. (At least I hop so, because that means it might get fixed. Something needs to explain why Cleartype doesn't improve things for so many people.) I always found Win7 rendering OK, if not exceptional. But, fonts have always been pixelated here on both Win7 and Win8, it's just that Win8 is so egregiously worse.

    My need to use Windows for the time-being is self-generated and probably temporary. If rendering on the ThinkPad I've ordered is no better, and if 8.1 does not improve things, I'll move on.
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  6. #26


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Wait a minute, are you using the "Tile" version of IE?? Cos I don't use that. I'm gonna switch, I'll brb.

    OK. NOW I see what you guys are all talking about - On the Desktop, IE uses my Graphics card, which it has done since IE 9, but the Tile App does NOT use the same rendering method. So as a desktop app it looks great.

    In TILE mode however, it's "Spindly and Pixellated"!

    I got a solution for that, don't USE it in Tile mode. Now I remember why I stopped using it, it's horrible.

    Sorry, I don't think there is any way to fix it at all - Or, I have a solution for you that may work for all - Log In to MSN using your MS account. Then choose "View MSN in Classic Mode"

    MSN.com
    Last edited by XweAponX; 10 Aug 2013 at 20:17.
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  7. #27


    No, I see it everywhere, not just in the Modern instance of IE. It affects all the desktop apps I use, and the interface..

    The Modern (Metro) interface and Modern apps are constrained to use grayscale rendering, by design. (I think they're all 32-bit, as well.) So, they won't be affected by Cleartype. Their fonts render well on high-DPI devices like phones and tablets (which is what they are intended for) because much smaller pixels exist in a much denser format, but, they do not -- cannot --- render well on desktop monitors because those are not high-DPI device.

    There is much complaining about this resort to grayscale, but it is a separate issue, distinct from the faulty font rendering seen throughout Windows.
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  8. #28


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Ok then I don't understand this, but in the Tile App, MSN appears exactly as described. Use the "Classic View" for MSN and it will look much better.
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  9. #29


    As I understand it, they're more or less two different apps that use different font rendering engines. Desktop apps can't run in the Modern environment, and vice versa.
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  10. #30


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Google Chrome looks good as a Tile App, amd most websites look OK in the IE Tile, except for MSN - Once I switched it to Classic View, it the text got better.
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