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Can I change hardware and improve Win8 Font Rendering?

  1. #11


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Check that registry setting, try turning it on or off, I believe you have to reboot each time. MSN always looks like garbage on IE, but even so the text is not how you describe - It's usually spindly and pixellated before I turn ClearType on. But try turning it on and off, or off if it is on. Also check for any viruses. I just got infected by SNAPDO, trying to install a driver for my old MusicPad Pro- The drivers are archived on their site and they have snapdo in the archive! You never know when you are gonna get infected or from where, that was the last place I expected to get it, so it would not hurt to check.

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  2. #12


    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Check that registry setting, try turning it on or off....Also check for any viruses.
    Thanks, I will, next time. It's off the machine at the moment, so when I get a spare 4-5 hours I'll go at it again.

    A virus as the culprit seems unlikely given that these have been brand new installations with no third-party downloads. And, it's been consistent over multiple fresh installation on the same hardware.
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  3. #13


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    W8.1, W7


    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Just run your Clear Type tool, it will clear it up.
    Sorry, but wrong. If it was that easy there would be no problems or complaints.
    Do some reading and research > color subpixel antialiasing.
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  4. #14


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    I did, that's how I found that Clear Type Reg reference. They just renamed Cleartype for IE10, they did not take it out, it's still there. You can only enable or disable it from the Registry now:

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  5. #15


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    W8.1, W7


    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    I did, that's how I found that Clear Type Reg reference. They just renamed Cleartype for IE10, they did not take it out, it's still there. You can only enable or disable it from the Registry now:
    Sorry for writing you've done no research, as you have indeed done some, but I've tested the UseClearType reg setting on several laptops here (HP, Compaq, Toshiba), still muddy & lacking sharpness (but in a slightly different way) so it's not a solution. And does anyway not help for the blurry fonts that appears here and there in W8 (outside of IE10), so am still waiting for MS to address the problem.

    Written in FF 23, 100% sharp at time of posting :O)
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  6. #16


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    You could also go into the Internet Options "Advanced" Property Sheet and check if it is using Software rendering or GPU rendering.

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  7. #17


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    W8.1, W7


    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    You could also go into the Internet Options "Advanced" Property Sheet and check if it is using Software rendering or GPU rendering.
    Thanks for trying to sort it out. Already tried, rendering settings does nothing to the IE10 fonts here (only affects how video\youtube etc behaves). And will in any case not do anything for how fonts look outside of IE10, remember many are affected by blurry fonts many places in w8 in general (it's just particularly concentrated and visible in IE10). Regarding browsers, stock Firefox & Chrome content looks perfect here.
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  8. #18


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Damn! I was hoping that would do something - Rememebr you have to reboot to see the effect. Apparently, this is a really common problem:

    Microsoft to Fix Blurry Text Bug in Windows 8.1 RTM Rumo

    I havent seen it, IE looks fine to me in both my machines, but I have a 40" HDTV. But it looked good on a P4 machine I installed Windows 8 into, using a small 15" Dell Monitor. Maybe it has to do with certain video cards. Well, that's all I could find to do, I'll keep looking and see if I can find other settings that can me changed.
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  9. #19


    Several long threads about this issue exist on different Windows forums. So, it seems to be something that affects a good many people, while, apparently, not affecting -- or not bothering -- many others.

    I mentioned that I saw rather good font rendering immediately after a clean Win8 install, and that the quality deteriorated significantly in a few hours. I've seen other reports about that. That makes me wonder if something, perhaps using the Modern apps, or some specific Modern app -- which are deliberately designed in a way that will deliver poorer font rendering on a standard 96 DPI monitor -- results in the use of the wrong font rendering engine (Windows now has 6 of them, I believe) for the desktop. Perhaps that is the bug rumored to be fixed in 8.1. (The Modern interface uses grayscale rendering, which will look good in a high-DPI environment like a phone or tablet.)

    The differences in font rendering quality people see between different Windows applications might be down to developers coding for the less-optimum engines, not testing on all versions of Windows, etc. And, of course, things like lighting, eyesight, seating position, etc., are strong influences on a user's perception.

    I don't know enough about Windows' font rendering engines to know how or if the video card has an impact. I know that, in my experience, it does not in both Linux and OS X, which do not need to drag around multiple rendering engines for the sake of compatibility, and you won't see buying a new card suggested as a way to improve rendering quality.

    On my own hardware (Dell U2410 24-inch IPS and Nvidia 550ti) the best font rendering is delivered by the latest Ubuntu release and its derivatives. Second best is OS X, when I use the Dell as an external monitor for a Macbook. Frankly, Windows rendering is not even in the game here.

    My bottom line on assessing the rendering quality of Windows on *my* hardware is comparing it to the screenshots I see on Microsoft and other vendor sites hyping their products. I'd be happy with what I see there. But, what I see *here* looks more like what I saw in Win95.

    In any case, I've got a new ThinkPad coming, so that will be my Windows machine. For the next week or so, it's off my hardware.
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  10. #20


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    W8.1, W7


    Quote Originally Posted by joncr View Post
    ...the best font rendering is delivered by the latest Ubuntu release and its derivatives
    Agree. Am mighty impressed (on different laptops where I've been testing "Ubuntu and its derivatives").
    Windows seems to lag behind in the font dept., generally, not only the w8 specific problem.
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