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Automatic shutdown disables Fast Startup?

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    Automatic shutdown disables Fast Startup?


    I use several applications (video encoders, download tools etc.) that offer a "shutdown when done" option. What I've noticed with Win 8 x64, is that when this type of shutdown is executed, Fast Startup is disabled and when the PC is turned back on, boot-up time is significantly increased (similar to a restart, where Fast Startup is also disabled). Is there a way around this? It seems unlikely that all these applications do something wrong. Maybe Windows treats this type of shutdown differently?

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    So, you have checked to make sure that fast start is enabled and then somehow it gets disabled automatically?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustATest View Post
    So, you have checked to make sure that fast start is enabled and then somehow it gets disabled automatically?
    Yes of course, it works normally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmigaRoots View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JustATest View Post
    So, you have checked to make sure that fast start is enabled and then somehow it gets disabled automatically?
    Yes of course, it works normally.
    Well, if you think that it works normally (as you described) then what is your issue? Is this just an FYI because I have several of those programs and they never change my fast booy option to disabled.
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    I meant it works normally, apart from the issue I described of course, otherwise why would I post?

    The "turn on fast startup" option in Power, is never disabled/unticked, if that's what you mean. What I explained is that, when the PC is turned on after an automatic shutdown (by applications offering such a shutdown option, and there are many of them), the boot-up time is evidently increased, indicating that Fast Startup has not been enabled. If I manually shut the PC down and then turn it on, Fast Startup works as expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmigaRoots View Post
    I meant it works normally, apart from the issue I described of course, otherwise why would I post?

    The "turn on fast startup" options in Power, is never disabled/unticked, if that's what you mean. What I explained is that, when the PC is turned on after an automatic shutdown (by applications offering such an option, and there are many of them), the boot-up time is evidently increased, indicating that Fast Startup has not been enabled. If I manually shut the PC down and then turn it on, Fast Startup works as expected.
    OK, the light just went on after the above clarification. Now, it seems to me like that would be normal; in that, you have specifically requested that program to intervene (eg, hold off shutdown until I'm done) in the fast boot shutdown process and that is somehow disrupting the fast boot inherent ability to write the state information in hiberfil.sys so it can be quickly accessed on next boot. That's the best explanation I can give on your issue. Sounds like what you are describing is a normal behavior when you request a hold-off on shutdown.
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    I see what you mean, but there is no shutdown to hold, the way I see it. I just assume the application gives the "order" to Windows to shutdown, instead of the user. The application does what it does (there is no trace of a shutdown command yet) and only when it's done, it will execute the regular shutdown command. Why should that be different from a user shutdown, for Fast Startup at least?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmigaRoots View Post
    I use several applications (video encoders, download tools etc.) that offer a "shutdown when done" option.
    Now I'm not getting it again. Doesn't an offered option have to be acknowledged? If its a tickbox in the application somewhere, uncheck it. However, if you are in the middle of running a program (and you know it executing), then shame on anyone who tries to shutdown during a known running process. I'm not talking about background processes. I'm talking about shutting down while Adobe Photoshop is in the middle of a 100mb image conversion (or similar function).
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    AmigaRoots, it's possible that these applications invoke full shutdown, the same way this command does (note the /f switch).
    Code:
    shutdown /s /f /t 0
    But so far you're assuming it's a full shutdown. The next time you turn on the system after such a shutdown, check event 100 in the Diagnostics-Performance log right away or just inspect the results of the PowerShell command below.
    Code:
    Get-WinEvent -maxevents 1 -FilterHashtable @{logname="Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational"; id=100} | fl *
    If it was a full shutdown, the TimeCreated value will correspond to the time you turned the system on. Otherwise, it was not a full shutdown, because this event is not written to the log when system comes back from the fast startup. Event 300 corresponds to fast startup, because the OS technically resumes from hibernation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustATest View Post
    Now I'm not getting it again. Doesn't an offered option have to be acknowledged? If its a tickbox in the application somewhere, uncheck it. However, if you are in the middle of running a program (and you know it executing), then shame on anyone who tries to shutdown during a known running process. I'm not talking about background processes. I'm talking about shutting down while Adobe Photoshop is in the middle of a 100mb image conversion (or similar function).
    I think you are making things more complicated than they are! Nothing/no one is forcing a shutdown. Take utorrent for example. It's crammed with such options in its autoshutdown menu. Other applications, mostly video encoders, just have a "switch" that you can change any time, while they are working. They don't "acknowledge" it, they just check the state of the switch when their job is done. Yes, you might run into problems if you program an application to shutdown Windows, when you also have other ones working, but there is no reason a user should do that and it's not what I describe anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadikan View Post
    AmigaRoots, it's possible that these applications invoke full shutdown, the same way this command does (note the /f switch).
    Code:
    shutdown /s /f /t 0
    This sounds quite likely. I don't know the technical differences between a full shutdown and a "user" shutdown, but obviously the full one disables Fast Startup (or enables other stuff that significantly increase boot-time). Maybe all these applications need to update their auto-shutdown method, because things have changed from Windows 7 (Fast Startup), and what in Win 7 was a "normal" shutdown, in 8 is a shutdown without Fast Startup.
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