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  1. #31


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Well, next step, show us your ASIO configuration and maybe we can find the optimal settings. How sophisticated is your USB audio device? It looks like a high-end audio device, and as with all audio devices, you just have to play with the settings until you get peak performance.

    Also, on one of my Windows 8 systems I have almost 66,000 error messages in the applications log. I have to keep clearing the logs out once a week. But the system is not degraded at all, it's this one Bonjour service error, but my Bonjour works perfect, I've using it in VLC Streamer, VLC Remote and Mobile Mouse Pro. The SQM error I saw in your original post had to do with a test file being uploaded and failing. But if the program which depends on the SQL server is running fin,e I would just ignore it.

    I had read somewhere I could install Pro Tools 8 or 9 with ASIO4all, and be able to run it. I tried it, but it didn't work. I run Pro Tools 6.4 with a Digi 001 on my DAW, it has it's own ASIO panel. I've got extra drivers to allow the DIGI to be seen in Windows Media Player and I use that sometimes to listen to mixes. But that's the extant of my ASIO experience. It sounds to me like you know what you are doing with your own system. I'd play with the settings, it may be a buffering setting being set too low. I have my Digi buffers set to the highest size possible and I haven't had a crash for years.

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  2. #32


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    Win 8.1 Pro x64


    Not sure what you mean by ASIO configuration, but screenshot attached from foobar.

    My foobar forum thread about sound cutout in the first 20-25 seconds with CDs got responses about buffer size. Foobar's buffer length default is 1000ms. Testing with both ASIO/JPlay and the Amanero device setting, but I found the threshhold for ending cutouts was 700-800ms, depending on a few factors (mine's now set at 800ms). Some recommended 1500ms and be done with it. But there's a catch there, as the foobar Wiki points out:

    "High buffer sizes offer stronger protection against glitches but introduce side effects such as long delay between changing DSP settings (eg. adjusting equalizer bands) and changes in sound output." (I don't use DSP)

    For me, higher buffer lengths mean when I stop, pause, change volume, move the play location, etc., there are delays, shorter or longer depending on the buffer size. With their volume control, the delay becomes impossible to deal with. Since the cutouts were occurring in the first 25 seconds, I think my real problem had to do with the interplay of CD/DVD player (Plextor, supposedly the best), foobar and maybe Win 8. One of Audioengine's engineers wrote me that cutout had been reported by others using Win 8 and their dac, without foobar or JPlay). One of JPlay's developers also weighed in, in the opposite direction for buffer length:

    "first of all foobar buffer of 500ms is too much – it may well be the reason for 'delay' you see – if you can't get foobar working with smaller then 5sec buffer something is terribly wrong…."

    They base that on what they have heard from users on the forums and privately. I couldn't find anything on the forums to support that, though.
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  3. #33


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Isn't there a settings panel for Jplay running in the taskbar? You'll want to set the buffers are high as you can. My Digi has a DAE Playback Buffer, I have it set at level four, the second highest setting. When I had it set at the default setting, it would crash constantly.
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  4. #34


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    JPlay buffer settings haven't shown any effect on this issue, more previously on general computer use.
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  5. #35


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Then it would be in the panel you made the image of, look for any buffer settings. Cos that's what the Crash during Playback sounds like. You should use the 64 bit drivers with high priority, you are in a 64 bit system right?

    OK - I just installed Foobar 2000, there is a setting for Buffer Size. Try increasing it until the playback stops freezing. It's in the Playback settings under Output, "Increase Buffer Length" - Bring that up to about twice that of default.
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  6. #36


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    At 800ms, the cutouts are gone while the freezes, assuming they are related, remain random and more or less frequent, i.e., none today, two yesterday, none the day before, one the day before, then seven the day before that, and none the day before that (13 hours of foobar play). And that assumes that all freezes are related to by foobar, which I know is not the case. For example, there were two yesterday that appeared related to mouse batteries running out; there have been occasional ISP internet dropouts for quite some time, which was hopefully fixed systemwide Wed night; and occasionally a website, perhaps a video or javascript that Opera Presto version can't handle, causes some.

    So sure, I could lengthen the buffer, but that would likely be a long-term test while in the meantime the higher buffer (above 800 ms here) would increasingly make foobar harder to use, to the point - somewhere between 1200-1500ms - where it becomes effectively impossible.
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  7. #37


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Yah you just have to find the settings where it works the best. The Foobar forums ought to be helpful for that, what you need is input from people who use the same audio device.
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  8. #38


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  9. #39


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    I had heard that, sorry to say. I fiddled with my settings and I think I found the best buffer length, about 2200ms. It will differ for your device, you may be able to use a huge value in there. With my Digi, the values are all preset into the ASIO panel, there are only 4 to 5 settings for Buffer size for recording and playback. Recording is what really uses up the buffer, but I like to keep it high for playback too.
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  10. #40


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    With JPlay, I've come to suspect the different engines handle buffer length differently. According to developer Josef, the "differences are in memory management and (for ultra) network synchronisation." Somewhere in the forums he says Xtream is the most demanding on computer processing. Just did a quick search on the JPlay forum for "engine" and found others experiencing similar issues and wondering about buffer settings with foobar and other players.
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