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Windows 8.1 refuses to sleep

  1. #701


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    Quote Originally Posted by mw8t View Post

    I have sleep issues after a clean install with only drivers and updates installed so im pretty sure its the OS which is flawed.
    Install any 3rd party security, any software with optical drive drivers (like Roxio etc...), any Apple software like iTunes, any other 3rd party drivers not to actual hardware?

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  2. #702


    Quote Originally Posted by Rockhound View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by linw View Post
    Interesting info, Rockhound. Wouldn't mind trying the update but my worry would be to have to install from scratch when the official release comes out. Guess I'll wait! My system is pretty good at sleeping, now, anyway.

    Rockhound, out of curiosity, will your machine sleep while a youtube clip is playing? My 8.1 doesn't realise there is activity going on so will happily sleep during the video.
    No, my computer does not sleep while a Youtube video is playing. When the video is playing, an audio driver is in use, and therefore halts the sleep command. The only way that I can think of where a computer would sleep while a Youtube video is playing is for there to be an override request for the audio driver.
    Thanks for that. Just illustrates the flaw in power management in some 8.1 installations. The audio and video usage is noted but completely ignored by power management.
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  3. #703


    Quote Originally Posted by MasterChief View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mw8t View Post

    I have sleep issues after a clean install with only drivers and updates installed so im pretty sure its the OS which is flawed.
    Install any 3rd party security, any software with optical drive drivers (like Roxio etc...), any Apple software like iTunes, any other 3rd party drivers not to actual hardware?
    You seem to overlook the situation where many of us have had perfect power management with Win7, then Win8 only for there to be a fail the minute we 'upgrade' to 8.1. As far as we are concerned, the only change was the 8.1 install.
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  4. #704


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    Quote Originally Posted by linw View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MasterChief View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mw8t View Post

    I have sleep issues after a clean install with only drivers and updates installed so im pretty sure its the OS which is flawed.
    Install any 3rd party security, any software with optical drive drivers (like Roxio etc...), any Apple software like iTunes, any other 3rd party drivers not to actual hardware?
    You seem to overlook the situation where many of us have had perfect power management with Win7, then Win8 only for there to be a fail the minute we 'upgrade' to 8.1. As far as we are concerned, the only change was the 8.1 install.
    It was a question that is designed to get results. If you would have answered it, maybe it would have done something to help the situation.

    Just because someone makes an upgrade to an OS does not mean the rest of the system is right for that OS.

    If I see hard data like I keep asking for, this thread will likely get knocked down real quick with solutions. And then if not, only then will you have a new believer.
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  5. #705


    Posts : 14
    8.1 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by MasterChief View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mw8t View Post

    I have sleep issues after a clean install with only drivers and updates installed so im pretty sure its the OS which is flawed.
    Install any 3rd party security, any software with optical drive drivers (like Roxio etc...), any Apple software like iTunes, any other 3rd party drivers not to actual hardware?
    Windows 8.1 clean install
    Intel chipset driver
    Realtek PCIe Lan controller
    Windows updates

    =

    SLEEP ISSUES
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  6. #706


    Hasselt, Belgium
    Posts : 75
    Windows 8.1 Pro 32/64


    Quote Originally Posted by mw8t View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by johnpombrio View Post
    Rockhound, thanks for the update! I might sashay over to pick up the leaked update. i don't have a sleep issue since the LAST MS update, but I like to see the changes MS is putting forth. The update is not on Technet but I do not think MS is doing anything with Technet since they announced its being turned off.
    Keep an eye out for RARE times when the computer should have gone to sleep but didn't. I get this maybe once a week or so and cannot pin it down to any specific thing (but I am leaning towards Steam from Valve).
    Fingers crossed everyone!
    I have sleep issues after a clean install with only drivers and updates installed so im pretty sure its the OS which is flawed.
    That would be the logical conclusion if everyone would have this problem.

    I had also a sleeping problem with my systems, until I found that System Mechanic messed up my registry. It wasn't Win8.1 ready. The new version of System Mechanic is better, but still has some issues with Win8.1.

    After I found this problem with my systems. I went back on my Win8 backup on my main, uninstalled System Mechanic and did my Store Win8.1 update again. Since then, the only other problem I found was that my PC crashed when coming out of sleep. An update of the driver for my graphical card was the solution.


    I did a clean install on my laptop, and that was all what was needed.


    On my netbook, I undid all the registry changes System Mechanic had done, and then uninstalled that program.


    Since then, all my systems have been working like they should and have been sleeping and hibernating like they should.


    I did notice only one thing. Sometimes, my main PC, which is often working on its own, sometimes stay awake for hours and then finally go to sleep. I'm guessing that it is because some maintenance is going on. I never checked it, because it only happens on every Wednesday of the week. So, I'm sure it's just something Windows 8.1 has to do to keep everything working.

    For the rest, everything works like it should. I can watch a movie on youtube, without the PC going to sleep, or use movie apps to watch movies as well.


    However, like I mentioned before, the sleep function of Windows 8.1 is fragile, and just one little driver can mess it all up. However, from what I read here, it seems Microsoft did find an error in their code, if the update makes Windows 8.1 sleep again on systems that didn't manage to do it before.

    So, it's not only just a driver problem, it seems, but to blame all on the OS, is going too far as well. Because like I said, else everyone would never manage the sleep function to work. Probably also why it was so difficult to find by Microsoft. (Well, let us hope Update 1 is the solution for everyone!)
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  7. #707


    Posts : 286
    W8.1 Pro 64


    [QUOTE=Rudy Mas;340940][QUOTE=mw8t;340862]
    Quote Originally Posted by johnpombrio View Post

    So, it's not only just a driver problem, it seems, but to blame all on the OS, is going too far as well. Because like I said, else everyone would never manage the sleep function to work. Probably also why it was so difficult to find by Microsoft. (Well, let us hope Update 1 is the solution for everyone!)
    I do blame it all on the OS. To not is like saying vista was perfect out of the chute and it was only the flawed drivers supplied by the entire rest of the industry. Let's face it, Microsoft has again created a platform that makes it far too difficult for others to succeed. To blame it on all the drivers may be somewhat useful for debugging purposes but in no way
    should deflect the real responsibility for this awful mess. I'm hoping update 1 is much improved based on early reports but I'm thinking this hill is far too high to climb to completely solve this thing.
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  8. #708


    Posts : 14
    8.1 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy Mas View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mw8t View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by johnpombrio View Post
    Rockhound, thanks for the update! I might sashay over to pick up the leaked update. i don't have a sleep issue since the LAST MS update, but I like to see the changes MS is putting forth. The update is not on Technet but I do not think MS is doing anything with Technet since they announced its being turned off.
    Keep an eye out for RARE times when the computer should have gone to sleep but didn't. I get this maybe once a week or so and cannot pin it down to any specific thing (but I am leaning towards Steam from Valve).
    Fingers crossed everyone!
    I have sleep issues after a clean install with only drivers and updates installed so im pretty sure its the OS which is flawed.
    That would be the logical conclusion if everyone would have this problem.

    I had also a sleeping problem with my systems, until I found that System Mechanic messed up my registry. It wasn't Win8.1 ready. The new version of System Mechanic is better, but still has some issues with Win8.1.

    After I found this problem with my systems. I went back on my Win8 backup on my main, uninstalled System Mechanic and did my Store Win8.1 update again. Since then, the only other problem I found was that my PC crashed when coming out of sleep. An update of the driver for my graphical card was the solution.


    I did a clean install on my laptop, and that was all what was needed.


    On my netbook, I undid all the registry changes System Mechanic had done, and then uninstalled that program.


    Since then, all my systems have been working like they should and have been sleeping and hibernating like they should.


    I did notice only one thing. Sometimes, my main PC, which is often working on its own, sometimes stay awake for hours and then finally go to sleep. I'm guessing that it is because some maintenance is going on. I never checked it, because it only happens on every Wednesday of the week. So, I'm sure it's just something Windows 8.1 has to do to keep everything working.

    For the rest, everything works like it should. I can watch a movie on youtube, without the PC going to sleep, or use movie apps to watch movies as well.


    However, like I mentioned before, the sleep function of Windows 8.1 is fragile, and just one little driver can mess it all up. However, from what I read here, it seems Microsoft did find an error in their code, if the update makes Windows 8.1 sleep again on systems that didn't manage to do it before.

    So, it's not only just a driver problem, it seems, but to blame all on the OS, is going too far as well. Because like I said, else everyone would never manage the sleep function to work. Probably also why it was so difficult to find by Microsoft. (Well, let us hope Update 1 is the solution for everyone!)
    I bought an extra copy of Win 8.1 to go on my DIY NAS build which sole purpose is to be woken on LAN, serve media files, then sleep and it DOES NOT WORK!

    I rang Microsoft technical help and they wanted 65 paid immediately by credit card to troubleshoot the problem

    Joke

    Granted the hardware I am using is from the Core2Duo era but that is no excuse. This hardware is everywhere.
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  9. #709


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    Quote Originally Posted by mw8t View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MasterChief View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mw8t View Post

    I have sleep issues after a clean install with only drivers and updates installed so im pretty sure its the OS which is flawed.
    Install any 3rd party security, any software with optical drive drivers (like Roxio etc...), any Apple software like iTunes, any other 3rd party drivers not to actual hardware?
    Windows 8.1 clean install
    Intel chipset driver
    Realtek PCIe Lan controller
    Windows updates

    =

    SLEEP ISSUES
    Latest bios? Motherboard set well for power options?

    Tool "grab all" zip attached?

    I've seen literally 10s of thousands of machines online, and maybe 2-3 times I have found nothing wrong only. I'm sure there's something not right and if not, then congrats for being part of the small percentage. (Will that something "not right" be the actual cause? Only one way to find out.)

    Even if there is nothing wrong, then you all must have some common denominator besides 8.1. The whole world would be complaining and Microsoft would have fixed it by now because of the whole world complaining. That amount of dissatisfaction in regards to sleep is unseen.

    There would be major articles on the front page of every tech website.
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  10. #710


    Posts : 14
    8.1 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by MasterChief View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mw8t View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MasterChief View Post

    Install any 3rd party security, any software with optical drive drivers (like Roxio etc...), any Apple software like iTunes, any other 3rd party drivers not to actual hardware?
    Windows 8.1 clean install
    Intel chipset driver
    Realtek PCIe Lan controller
    Windows updates

    =

    SLEEP ISSUES
    Latest bios? Motherboard set well for power options?

    Tool "grab all" zip attached?
    Latest BIOS. S3 only enabled. PCIe device only wake enabled.

    All of the OS options discussed in this thread have been toggled - Homegroup enabled/disabled. IPV6 enabled/disabled, wake only on magic packet etc etc

    Got fed up and now plan to power-on and send my NAS to sleep using IR remote control, urgh.
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