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Windows 8.1 refuses to sleep

  1. #1331


    Posts : 286
    W8.1 Pro 64


    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NCguy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post

    This thought has been running through my mind for awhile now, but I haven't thought on it long enough to put into words yet. Let's take it a tad bit further . . . Through the years, beginning with around Windows 3.1 (3.0 was MS's learning child), things began to look up for what was then the IBM/Intel hardware. Windows 95 and Windows 98 looked pretty good; and then came Windows ME. This is where Microsoft started to take some very big and dangerous steps. As long as Windows ME was put on "current" hardware, it worked fantastically. However, when folks began to upgrade their hardware, Windows ME failed miserably.

    . . .

    I don't think Microsoft understands that beta testers are a very necessary part of building a new Operating system. They knew it once, before Synofsky but I'm not sure they'll ever understand what they threw away.
    I completely agree with you regarding the Synofsky development methodology assessment.

    But, that said, I get the impression that StandbyHelper is a pretty simple app. I think something is architecturally hosed within Windows 8 when such a simple piece of code (StandbyHelper) works so reliably and the windows code does not. I get the impression now that there really is something architecturally wrong when the code in windows is so inflexible that it fails to work in so many instances. I think it goes beyond beta testing in this case and I'm not optimistic that it will ever be as tolerant as it was in Windows 7. That said I'm ok with StandbyHelper as long as it continues to be compatible.
    I think I ranted so much that the point I was trying to make kinda got lost in the shuffle. What I was trying to say is that if that wide cross-section of, and also the many experienced, beta testers that had tested previous versions of Windows had been allowed to test Windows 8, most likely the sleep issue would have been uncovered and possibly would have been dealt with.

    Although my computer sleeps after the December update, Standby Helper is such an elegant solution that seems to work every time, proves the point that Microsoft dropped the ball, but the author of this solution picked it up and ran with it.

    Maybe Microsoft should contact this author, buy the solution he/she's giving away freely and include it in Windows 8.1.
    I get it. Just pondering if it wasn't a matter of awareness of the problem. I'm thinking could be too messy now architecturally for them to sort it out.

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  2. #1332


    Manchester CT
    Posts : 693
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 bit GA


    Ah frustration, the gift that keeps on giving. I wonder how many dented computer cases there are? As usual, I was going to make the case that the sleep issue is a limited problem, but I just went through 10 pages of a Google search and saw that there were still posts on different websites about the problem. Damn near every manufacturer of a laptop (Dell, Lenovo, HP, Aleinware, etc) had a forum post going about not sleeping when lid closed. Most of the posts have been in the past 4 months. I am surprised that it took so long before people started posting, we have been doing it for over 10 months now!

    I really like Win8, sleep or no sleep. It has enough upgrades to Win7 and speed increases that I would not go back.

    Some posts have said that mice were involved and it SEEMS that the Logitech mouse update has made my machine sleep better. too soon to tell but the update actually mentions sleep in the update.

    Yes, Standby Helper makes my machine consistently sleep but I keep trying other solutions becuase I am really stubborn or just like the pain.
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  3. #1333


    Houston
    Posts : 18
    Win 8.1 Pro x64 w Media Center


    Finally got it to sleep.

    I had only one of 4 computers that didn't sleep. However, it was my main computer that I use all the time. All computers were Windows 8 upgraded to 8.1 then 8.1.1 using X64 OS except mine that started with Windows 7. PC's include HP notebook, HP All-In-One, Lenovo ThinkCentre and Lenovo IDEA Centre. All computers tied back to WHS2011 server.

    My computer took the 8.1 upgrade just fine for about 8 weeks then intermittently refused to sleep. Would sleep if removed the internet cable. Would work if I used a local account rather than a MS account. Would sleep for about 12 hours if I stopped and restarted NLS service.

    I shut down the scheduler thinking a task started up that caused the problem and since it failed to sleep about the same time each day. No luck. Deleting 3 ghosted network cards did work for 12 days. But the day before loading 8.1.1 update sleep problem came back. Tried sniffing out network packets and blocking ports but that didn't work. Finally, started getting problems with task starting and not stopping.


    Decided to do a clean install. Found 8.1 ISO online from MS and did clean install. No problem with sleep. Did update to 8.1.1 and didn't have problem. Oh, forgot to mention that Lenovo put 8.1 drivers up on their website. Used those. Don't know if those did the trick or if there was some problem elsewhere.

    Anyway, everything is working OK. Most all programs have been loaded back. I am doing an image each time I do an install just incase the problem comes back.

    Wish everyone well and success. --- 30 -----
    Last edited by kenJ; 11 May 2014 at 01:02.
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  4. #1334


    Texas
    Posts : 1,022
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by kenJ View Post
    Decide to do a clean install. Found 8.1 ISO online from MS and did clean install. No problem with sleep. Did update to 8.1.1 and didn't have problem. Oh, forgot to mention that Lenovo put 8.1 drivers up on their website. Used those. Don't know if those did the trick or if there was some problem elsewhere.

    Anyway, everything is working OK. Most all programs have been loaded back. I am doing an image each time I do an install just incase the problem comes back.

    Wish everyone well and success. --- 30 -----
    Ken, could you give us the link where you found the 8.1 ISO, please? I have an ISO, but there are others here who don't have it, a lot of whom would like to do a "clean install".
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  5. #1335


    Posts : 286
    W8.1 Pro 64


    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kenJ View Post
    Decide to do a clean install. Found 8.1 ISO online from MS and did clean install. No problem with sleep. Did update to 8.1.1 and didn't have problem. Oh, forgot to mention that Lenovo put 8.1 drivers up on their website. Used those. Don't know if those did the trick or if there was some problem elsewhere.

    Anyway, everything is working OK. Most all programs have been loaded back. I am doing an image each time I do an install just incase the problem comes back.

    Wish everyone well and success. --- 30 -----
    Ken, could you give us the link where you found the 8.1 ISO, please? I have an ISO, but there are others here who don't have it, a lot of whom would like to do a "clean install".
    If Ken provides it I believe you will either have to use a full retail key or a generic key to start the install. I think you can then switch to an upgrade key prior to activating. But the upgrade key won't work to start the install. Just an FYI in case you were planning on using an upgrade key.
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  6. #1336


    Good post, Ken. Those 'issues' you spoke of certainly rang a bell!! Hope you stay sleepy.

    NC, good input. The question of what key will activate it is really important. Must admit I am hazy on that as I just did the 'normal' cheap upgrade to 8 then the upgrades since.
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  7. #1337


    Texas
    Posts : 1,022
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by NCguy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kenJ View Post
    Decide to do a clean install. Found 8.1 ISO online from MS and did clean install. No problem with sleep. Did update to 8.1.1 and didn't have problem. Oh, forgot to mention that Lenovo put 8.1 drivers up on their website. Used those. Don't know if those did the trick or if there was some problem elsewhere.

    Anyway, everything is working OK. Most all programs have been loaded back. I am doing an image each time I do an install just incase the problem comes back.

    Wish everyone well and success. --- 30 -----
    Ken, could you give us the link where you found the 8.1 ISO, please? I have an ISO, but there are others here who don't have it, a lot of whom would like to do a "clean install".
    If Ken provides it I believe you will either have to use a full retail key or a generic key to start the install. I think you can then switch to an upgrade key prior to activating. But the upgrade key won't work to start the install. Just an FYI in case you were planning on using an upgrade key.
    Nah, I don't need it; I still have my ISO from my now defunct Technet Subscription. And yeah, I know the generic key would have to be used, but that's available somewhere in the tutorials and isn't illegal, as long as the user has a valid product key going forward.

    The real bummer is that many of us have the Technet ISO, but it's illegal for us to supply it to anyone else. If it were legal, I'd be glad to put the ISO up on OneDrive, but it ain't and I can't/won't. However, if the ISO can be found on Microsoft's site, publishing the link to it isn't illegal.
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  8. #1338


    Posts : 286
    W8.1 Pro 64


    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NCguy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post

    Ken, could you give us the link where you found the 8.1 ISO, please? I have an ISO, but there are others here who don't have it, a lot of whom would like to do a "clean install".
    If Ken provides it I believe you will either have to use a full retail key or a generic key to start the install. I think you can then switch to an upgrade key prior to activating. But the upgrade key won't work to start the install. Just an FYI in case you were planning on using an upgrade key.
    Nah, I don't need it; I still have my ISO from my now defunct Technet Subscription. And yeah, I know the generic key would have to be used, but that's available somewhere in the tutorials and isn't illegal, as long as the user has a valid product key going forward.

    The real bummer is that many of us have the Technet ISO, but it's illegal for us to supply it to anyone else. If it were legal, I'd be glad to put the ISO up on OneDrive, but it ain't and I can't/won't. However, if the ISO can be found on Microsoft's site, publishing the link to it isn't illegal.
    The last Microsoft support person I spoke with told me that the technet RTM wasn't actually the final bits. Personally I still believe it was the final bits. I have it as well.
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  9. #1339


    Houston
    Posts : 18
    Win 8.1 Pro x64 w Media Center


    >
    Ken, could you give us the link where you found the 8.1 ISO, please? I have an ISO, but there are others here who don't have it, a lot of whom would like to do a "clean install".
    If you Google Windows 8.1 ISO, you will find several references.

    Here is one link that links you to Microsoft's site for the ISO:
    How to download and install the Windows 8.1 ISO -- using a Windows 8 or 8.1 key


    Here is the forum alternative.
    Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 ISO - Download or Create

    And the MS site is:
    Upgrading Windows with only a product key - Microsoft Windows Help

    Yes, there are issues with keys. I had a V8.0 key but there is a workaround to download the 8.1 ISO using the 8 key. I did have to call and talk to a MS support person to get my system reactivated as I have a free Media key upgrade. Once I put in my free media center key upgrade, it went from activated to not activated. Took about 15 minutes from the time I called for support to get me reactivated.

    Make sure you have backup (image or otherwise) before you start. I always make 4 backups, in multiple places, before I do fresh installs.
    Last edited by kenJ; 11 May 2014 at 14:07.
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  10. #1340


    Texas
    Posts : 1,022
    Windows 8.1


    Thanks, Ken. Hopefully this will help those who want to do a clean install instead of upgrading through the store.
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