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Input language settings problem

  1. #1


    Posts : 6
    Windows 8 x64

    Input language settings problem


    Hi.
    I need to be able to input text using three different languages: English (US), Russian, Ukrainian.
    To that end I have prepared the following:
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    As you see, UI is being overridden to Ukrainian too, which is also desired.
    I also need to be able to switch input languages NOT using any cyclic shortcut like Ctrl+Shift or Alt+Shift, but by language-specific shortcut, namely Ctrl+1 for English, Ctrl+2 for Ukrainian, Ctrl+3 for Russian. It has been so for years for me and I got used to it.
    To that end I found the following setup
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    There you see two Ukrainian layouts (I made one myself, another one is built-in).

    The problem is that Ctrl+1 for English works, Ctrl+3 for Russian works too, but BOTH shortcuts for Ukrainian layots do NOT work. When I press Ctrl+2 or Ctrl+4 just nothing happens. I tried to change the Ukrainian shortcuts to no avail.

    What should I do?

    UPD. What's more interesting thing I just discovered, is that these Ukrainian shortcuts do work selectively.
    In Notepad and MS Word -- don't work
    In Mozilla Thunderbird and Firefox, also Skype -- does work.

    UPD2. Shortcuts seem to be working everywhere EXCEPT the software written by Microsoft. What an irony
    Last edited by LoremIpsum; 12 Jul 2013 at 03:28.

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  2. #2


    Posts : 480
    Windows 8 Pro x64


    Hi,

    Did Ukrainian keyboard layouts come with Windows or were installed separately (e.g. had been created with the keyboard layout creator)?

    In the latter case, try to remove them and replace with the standard Ukrainian layout, then assign the same shortcut. Does the shortcut work?
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  3. #3


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    I have a built in hot key utility.
    It works good :

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    Maybe you can find a free one on the internet.

    This is just a quick Googling:

    https://www.google.com/search?client...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    Wish I could help more.
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  4. #4


    Posts : 6
    Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Vadikan View Post
    Hi,
    Did Ukrainian keyboard layouts come with Windows or were installed separately (e.g. had been created with the keyboard layout creator)?
    As I said
    I made one myself, another one is built-in
    This means one Ukrainian layout came in with Windows, another one I made with MSKLC. Deleting either one does not solve the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadikan View Post
    In the latter case, try to remove them and replace with the standard Ukrainian layout, then assign the same shortcut. Does the shortcut work?
    No. MS Word and notepad still refuse to switch to Ukrainian when I press Ctrl+2. Other software works though.
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  5. #5


    Posts : 6
    Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    I have a built in hot key utility.
    It works good :
    I'm sorry, how is that supposed to help in my problem?
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  6. #6


    Posts : 480
    Windows 8 Pro x64


    Sorry, I missed the built-in part. What happens in safe mode?

    Another question. Switch with Win+Space to the built-in Ukrainian layout. Does the shortcut work with switching to another Ukrainian layout?
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  7. #7


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by LoremIpsum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    I have a built in hot key utility.
    It works good :
    I'm sorry, how is that supposed to help in my problem?
    I thought you might look on the internet & find a free hot key utility that would solve your problem.
    I assumed you did not have a hot key program.
    I assumed you were using Properties to set up hot keys that wouldn't work.

    There are some good free hot key programs available that might help you with your issue.
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  8. #8


    Posts : 6
    Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Vadikan View Post
    Sorry, I missed the built-in part. What happens in safe mode?
    The same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadikan View Post
    Another question. Switch with Win+Space to the built-in Ukrainian layout. Does the shortcut work with switching to another Ukrainian layout?
    No it doesn't. Both ways: no switch from mine to builtin and from builtin to mine using Ctrl+digit shortcut.

    The only viable workaround I can use is to stuff all keyboard layouts (en+rus+ukr) under single input language (ukrainian). This way it works through Ctrl+digit shortcuts everywhere, but this poses another problem with programs who pay respect to input language. Say, I want to enter english text in MS Word and it thinks it's Ukrainian because, indeed, it is selected as an English layout under Ukrainian language. This is not acceptable.

    I wonder why on earth keyboard layout should ever be allowed to be different from input language? Aren't they the same thing essentially?
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  9. #9


    Posts : 6
    Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LoremIpsum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    I have a built in hot key utility.
    It works good :
    I'm sorry, how is that supposed to help in my problem?
    I thought you might look on the internet & find a free hot key utility that would solve your problem.
    If need be, I can write the hotkey utility myself.
    The essence of my problem is not the inability to setup a hotkey for an arbitrary action, but the fact that builtin Windows language switcher is not working as it is supposed to.
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  10. #10


    Posts : 480
    Windows 8 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by LoremIpsum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vadikan View Post
    Sorry, I missed the built-in part. What happens in safe mode?
    That rules out any third party interference.

    Quote Originally Posted by LoremIpsum View Post
    I wonder why on earth keyboard layout should ever be allowed to be different from input language? Aren't they the same thing essentially?
    They are not. An input language may have multiple keyboard layouts. In your case you have one input language (UA) and several layouts. Actually, i's not a new concept for Windows.

    I'll see if I can reproduce your problem over the weekend. That way we can at least establish whether this behavior is not restricted to your system
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