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Do you agree the Windows 8.1 Start Button is a Joke?

  1. #21


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    I strongly suspect telemetry from the Developer Preview told MS almost everyone had a quick look at metro, then disabled it.

    That gave them a scare, and they set about stopping people from having a choice. The metro stuff is their whole ball game.

    It is not desirable on a desktop - therefore they have to force it.

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  2. #22


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Agreed


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I strongly suspect telemetry from the Developer Preview told MS almost everyone had a quick look at metro, then disabled it.

    That gave them a scare, and they set about stopping people from having a choice. The metro stuff is their whole ball game.

    It is not desirable on a desktop - therefore they have to force it.
    I agree with your assessment.

    I have even seen that hypothesis affirmed by Metro lovers (on this very forum).

    I used the Registry hack to eliminate Metro (in W8DP).
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  3. #23


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Why do you act like it's some conspiracy?

    Microsoft has made no qualms about the fact that the normal desktop's days are numbered. It may take some time, but it will eventually be gone. Win32 apps will always be there, way too much legacy, but they may move that to a virtual environment at some point, making Metro the only real OS.

    Yes, it's true that today (and tomorrow and probably for several years), Metro is not as functional as Win32, but each release will bring it closer until it surpasses Win32 (which won't be getting much new development). The writing is on the wall. There's no conspiracy. It's not a secret.

    Since this is the case, why exactly would Microsoft do anything that wasn't driving them towards that goal? Why would bring back the old start menu? Doing so completely defeats their platform strategy, and gives mixed messages. Microsoft's message is clear. Adapt, or stay on Windows 7 until your apps no longer work.

    Windows is not a democracy. Microsoft doesn't have to listen to anyone if they don't want to. It's their product. They own it. They decide the direction it goes in. Certainly, listening to customers as it applies to their chosen strategy is a good thing. But listening to customers who simply don't want to make any changes has no value.

    The start menu is NOT coming back in any official form. Ever. Metro is not going away. Ever (or at least not for at least a decade, maybe more.. to be replaced with something else).. Win32 will be stagnating. Application developers will be focusing on Metro, for a large number of reasons.. but mostly because it's in their own self interest to do so. It opens up a new market for them. They make small concessions like the start button, in ways that don't really affect their overall strategy.. but that's about it.

    Complain all you like, whine that you're not being listened to. Hate everything... it's not going to change Microsoft's path, since they have bet their company on their strategy and will not change it. If you don't like it, there's the door.

    Nobody is saying you don't have a right to complain, what is being said is that you don't have a right to get your way. And expecting to get you way will only lead to further angst on your part.

    Windows 8+ is not an incremental upgrade to the old Windows. It's a transition to a new operating system, not unlike how Apple transitioned from OS 9 to OS X. This isn't like going from Win16 to Win32, or Win32 to Win64. This is an entirely new OS that runs along side the old OS, and the new OS will slowly take over more and more duties until the old OS is relegated to a virtual machine.

    My point is... get used to it, or move on. You're just going to keep being angry if you expect anything else.
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  4. #24


    South Coast NSW, Australia
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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    In that case... Hello, door!

    I'm happy enough with Windows 8, love it, in fact. But it's as far as I'll be going down the MS road.

    I'm a desktop user, first, last, and always. If MS can't or won't provide that, I'll use something that does.


    Wenda.
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  5. #25


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    In that case... Hello, door!

    I'm happy enough with Windows 8, love it, in fact. But it's as far as I'll be going down the MS road.

    I'm a desktop user, first, last, and always. If MS can't or won't provide that, I'll use something that does.
    Where did I say anything about not supporting desktops? I said, Metro would eventually surpass Win32. That means on the desktop as well.
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  6. #26


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Exxactly.

    As an interesting option, it's OK. But as the only option...no, thanks. Not interested.

    I want a Vista/Win 7/Win 8.0 desktop experience. With real programs, not online 'apps'.

    Not Metro. And not the net-centricity of Win 8.1.

    And If I need to go elsewhere than MS to get that, or remain with older versions of Windows, then I will.

    Simple as that.

    But, as I'm perfectly happy with 8.0 as I now have it set up, I see no reason to move at this stage.


    Wenda.
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  7. #27


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Umm.. Are you actually listening to what you're saying?

    You want a Vista/7/8 desktop experience, so you're going to an OS that's not Vista/7/8? How does that make any sense?

    Metro apps are not "online apps". They may be downloaded, but they are installed locally. They're every bit as much a real app as Win32 apps are. Yes, many apps require a net connection to provide content, but desktop versions of those apps would as well, so I really don't understand your argument. It is illogical, and contradictory. It seems like a justification for not changing, and like most justifications, it's not well thought out.

    If a metro app provides all the functionality of a win32 app (which I've already said currently they do not, but will some day in the future), what exactly is your problem with it?
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  8. #28


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    It has nothing to do with disliking change, or I wouldn't have been using W8 since the CP. Nor would I have purchased the retail version at the earliest opportunity.

    But it has a lot to do with being forced to be online, subscription-based software, a blatantly net-centric OS
    and the lack of a proper windowed environment.

    I've been computing for over 25 years, most of that without the internet. With 20 or 30 windows open at once, sometimes. Today, I can still do that. Tomorrow, I will not, according to MS. Win 8.1 is my 'Vista', and I'll be giving it the big miss.

    If you like it, that's great, and I'm not knocking you for that. So why not just accept that I dislike, and have no interest in, the direction MS is headed, and leave it at that.


    Wenda.
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  9. #29


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    Windows 7


    I hated the old fashioned "Start Button" and it's inefficient menu paradigm. I NEVER used that crappy menu system.

    I absolutely love the new Win8 "Start Screen". I believe it's more efficient and easier to use. I love the current modification that keeps the background the same for both Metro and Desktop. I think this solves the continuity issue that plagued these environments in Win8.
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    I was forced to switch to Microsoft Account to use calendar App
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