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    new build game pc


    Intel Core i7-3770K Processor - Quad Core, 8MB L3 Cache, 3.50GHz (3.90GHz Max Turbo), Socket H2 (LGA1155), 77W, Fan, Unlocked, Retail (BX80667i73770K)

    So far that is the only decision made for custom built computer with limited funds from long term savings.

    Grandson will be using for gaming so here are a few questions.

    1- Which is better SLI or Crossfire video cards?

    2- Yes or no on EUFI?

    Probably getting Asus mobo.

    Recommendation for Quality but lower cost video card to be used on monitor or tv

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    Well, it depends on the graphics cards being used. Two GTX Titans in SLI are going to be bomb, two AMD 7990s in Dual Radeon mode will be bomb. Honestly, you could just go either way I find, but if it sways you any, the AMD cards have been for the past year and half been the cards used by Tom's Hardware for benchmarking on their systems. I think they also declared the 7970? as the best card to use.

    UEFI, I say yes. It's more of nicety, especially with a SSD being used. You get a slightly faster boot time from POST to Windows, the OEM logo (not actually sure on custom OEM boards) and I think some other goodies. But pretty much all new mobos these days have EUFI BIOS available to use. You can do MBR BIOS or the GPT UEFI setups.

    I'd recommend ASUS for sure, as I've used ASUS boards myself and for other's PCs, they are pretty great! A gamer friend of mine had me basically build his system, it was an AMD APU with an ASUS board (UEFI firmware options are enormous!) and a dual Radeon graphics card. It was a budget build for about 500 or so dollars and runs Metro 2033 at about 25 FPS with the system overclocked.

    But for a gamer ASUS board, the RoG boards is the recommendation here. They're obviously a little more pricier, but they're built very well, and you get access to the RoG services and such. From what I know, you basically can have an ASUS engineer available for RoG users for system tweaking and such.
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    Thanks for response Coke. ASUS RoG is definitely out of this build.
    It's sort of a test and character building experience for him. He wants me to help him build an i7 machine. Mostly my $ which I really don't have but you know kids.
    Anyway I told him if he saved enough for the processor, I would help him with rest of parts and he could make the payments on loan I take from credit union. He saved $350 in 6 months doing odd jobs and now I have to quit dragging my donkey.

    I'm partial to ASUS mobo so it looks like ASUS P8Z77-V Motherboard - ATX, Socket H2 (LGA 1155), Intel Z77 Chipset, DDR3 2600 MHz (O.C.), SATA 6.0 Gbs/, RAID, 8-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, CrossfireX Ready with Thunderbolt didn't see anything about EUFI in description but ...

    It took awhile to find the right information but think I finally understand that SLI & Crossfire are a combination of 2 or more video cards. With the little bit of information I found, I would go with SLI. One good video card would probably be better than 2 not so good cards in SLI, right or wrong ?
    I'm leaning towards lower priced cards with SLI instead of the 2 GTX Titans. I was expecting $100-$300 pricetag

    I'm thinking about $100 neighborhood for video card. 16 GB RAM.

    What is display port for on mobo ? eSATA maybe?
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    SLI is never cost effective because you never get good efficiency. 2 cards in SLI does not have the same performance as 1 card with the same theoretical performance numbers (e.g., 2 500 GLOP cards will not match 1 1000 GFLOP card). not only that, with cards in SLI, you have to worry about driver problems and game profiles which are often out of your hands and the responsibility for AMD/Nvidia. SLI is more for the users that have money to burn and want the best systems out there.

    If you get a lower priced card and intend to SLI/Crossfire it in the future, well, by the time that card drops to be worth it, a new generation of cards are already out. have 2 cards with different performance profiles also hurts the net performance.

    a $100 video card is considered low-end. mid-range is around $180-250.
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    Thanks for rapid response dirtyvu.

    That's the reason I was thinking out loud One good video card would probably be better than 2 not so good cards in SLI, right or wrong ? Pretty sure someone would sway me away from multi-card graphics.

    So that's narrowed it down to a search for 1 mid-range card w Nvidia drivers (hopefully on sale).

    So far it's

    ASUS P8Z77-V LK Intel Z77 Motherboard - ATX, 4x DIMM, DDR3, Socket 1155, PCIe 3.0, Intel Z77 Chipset, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0, HDMI, LAN, DVI, DisplayPort


    Intel Core i7-3770K Processor - Quad Core, 8MB L3 Cache, 3.50GHz (3.90GHz Max Turbo), Socket H2 (LGA1155), 77W, Fan, Unlocked, Retail (BX80667i73770K)

    On the mobo there is the normal Ram DDR3 1600/1333MHz
    then there are 6 OC speeds DDR3 1800MHz(O.C.) Thru DDR3 2400MHz(O.C.)
    what would be a safe OC speed for him to World of Warcraft and another game similiar to it but I don't recall name of ?
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    if you're not going to overclock the whole thing, you don't need to overclock the RAM.
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    since there isn't difference in RAM price to speak of and it shouldn't be hard to adjust OC in BIOS may as well give a little gusto

    what's the max RAM can be used with games like World of Warcraft anyway. Will it handle 32GB. Or PSP10?
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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    Thanks for rapid response dirtyvu.

    That's the reason I was thinking out loud One good video card would probably be better than 2 not so good cards in SLI, right or wrong ? Pretty sure someone would sway me away from multi-card graphics.

    So that's narrowed it down to a search for 1 mid-range card w Nvidia drivers (hopefully on sale).

    So far it's

    ASUS P8Z77-V LK Intel Z77 Motherboard - ATX, 4x DIMM, DDR3, Socket 1155, PCIe 3.0, Intel Z77 Chipset, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0, HDMI, LAN, DVI, DisplayPort


    Intel Core i7-3770K Processor - Quad Core, 8MB L3 Cache, 3.50GHz (3.90GHz Max Turbo), Socket H2 (LGA1155), 77W, Fan, Unlocked, Retail (BX80667i73770K)

    On the mobo there is the normal Ram DDR3 1600/1333MHz
    then there are 6 OC speeds DDR3 1800MHz(O.C.) Thru DDR3 2400MHz(O.C.)
    what would be a safe OC speed for him to World of Warcraft and another game similiar to it but I don't recall name of ?
    You're pretty much correct in one real good video card being better than two mid range cards in a dual graphics setup.

    I'll only really sway you to AMD Radeon cards.

    You probably won't really even need to overclock I'd imagine to run WoW. If I'm correct, WoW is more graphics card intensive than CPU intensive. But if you did need to overclock, that is a whole different story on a whole different thread. You need proper cooling (water cooling would be best) and loads of patience and tweaking ability plus some know how on what you're doing. On the last ASUS mobo I worked on, it had a TON, I mean TON of overclock and tweaking options. I was even overwhelmed versus my simple 2010 era setup. If running World of Warcraft doesn't render real well on acceptable settings, that's where I'd consider overclocking. But RAM overclocking, that's even more trickier as you need to have the Northbridge and CPU speeds balanced out with the RAM overclock. Meaning, you can't run your RAM at 2400 MHz and your CPU at stock speeds or barely adjusted speeds. Won't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    since there isn't difference in RAM price to speak of and it shouldn't be hard to adjust OC in BIOS may as well give a little gusto

    what's the max RAM can be used with games like World of Warcraft anyway. Will it handle 32GB. Or PSP10?
    There isn't so much a maximum limit of RAM with games. RAM usage in games is actively adjusted, so WoW or similar games aren't going to use the whole allotted 32 gigs, maybe a few gigs I'd say. That much RAM, I wouldn't really recommend for a gaming rig, not that it's a bad thing, to me it's just overkill. Sixteen gigs is more a proper "overkill." That will last for years to come. If the rig will be used for virtual machines for say, running elder games that won't run on Windows x64 bit or won't run or install properly on Window 8 (I'm assuming 8 of course but 7 either way in this scenario), then I'd say go for the 32 gigs. But honestly, you can do it either way, that's just my two pennies worth.
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    if this is a gaming system, I'd rather plow that extra money into a better graphics card or CPU than RAM or a higher capacity SSD. 32GB is overkill for gaming. gaming is intensive but not that intensive. the most I'd get for a gaming system is 16 GB.
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