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Windows 8 app store is the Achille's heal or cruel joke

  1. #11


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    Then don't use the Windows Store. If you have no need for it, don't use it. It's like if someone complained about the Desktop Gadgets in 7 even though they had no need for them, never used them or didn't care for them. Uninstall the apps if you want, they're real easy to. Windows 8 isn't an only WinRT app based OS, that's Windows 8 RT for ARM processors.

    A tale of Windows store success: the developer making $30k a month - Neowin

    But no, you can't really call the Windows Store a failure when it's not even a year old. It took several for apple to get a good return on the ios store, let alone the indirect benefit of using ios on the ipad. I have no idea if google makes money off google play or whatever it once was since android has a lot of free apps.

    In the meantime, for those that use the Windows Store apps, THEY will be the ones that will push developers the way they want them to go.

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  2. #12


    It is mind blowing to scroll through those pretty icons, randomly looking for something of interest. But, for those who find thiss particular aspect irritating, you should ask yourselves how you looked (randomly) for items before the store came along. For example, my favourite page for trying to find something new to play with, was http://download.cnet.com/1770-20_4-0.html?query=windows 8&rpp=10&searchtype=downloads&filter=platform%3DWindows%7C&filterName=platforms%3DWindows%7C

    -- 1900 pages! You have to have some inkling of what you are seeking, otherwise you need a heck of a lot of time!
    But, with my low performance capabilities, I ignore the store and google - much more practical. My favourite time killer, in earlier OSs, was backgammon. On my very first installation of Windows 8, I really wanted that back. I googled for "Backgammon app for Windows 8 and, in true fashion, Google came back with, a couple of pages but, four different alternatives.
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  3. #13


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    Actually, if you go to Bing and type in backgammon pro, you will find something interesting...

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    It's a listing to the game from the Windows Store, which I find to be neat! It's similar to how on Windows Phone when you do a Bing Search, it can actually find you an app or several based on what you're searching. For example, if you search for a movie or an actor, the IMBD app shows up as that has relevant results within that app. App connect is what it is called.
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  4. #14


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Then don't use the Windows Store. If you have no need for it, don't use it. It's like if someone complained about the Desktop Gadgets in 7 even though they had no need for them, never used them or didn't care for them. Uninstall the apps if you want, they're real easy to. Windows 8 isn't an only WinRT app based OS, that's Windows 8 RT for ARM processors.

    A tale of Windows store success: the developer making $30k a month - Neowin

    But no, you can't really call the Windows Store a failure when it's not even a year old. It took several for apple to get a good return on the ios store, let alone the indirect benefit of using ios on the ipad. I have no idea if google makes money off google play or whatever it once was since android has a lot of free apps.

    In the meantime, for those that use the Windows Store apps, THEY will be the ones that will push developers the way they want them to go.
    Did I say it was a failure? No, you did.

    Listen don't shoot the messenger, honestly your response is something I would expect in a gaming forum, eewww OMG "Then don't use it", really? a bit childish don't you think.

    I have been using Windows products since day one, started out on Bill Gates MS DOS, that's how I learned to program, hate to admit that I am that old, but doesn't change that facts, of my assessment of the Windows Store. I am the goto guy with my friends, Mr. computer fixit, and when they ask me about Windows 8, is that what you want to tell them "DONT USE IT"? Or the entrepreneur starting a business "DONT USE IT"?

    NO I want them to make it better, I want to be able to tell people that it is a viable option. At this point, I can't. And your little story, does not make it a success

    here how about this
    British whiz kid, 17, sells app to Yahoo

    and I am not saying that good apps haven't been written or can't be written, they can. What I am saying is that Microsoft is not doing anything to help promote them. What's the point of a good app if it is buried under tons of rubble?

    If not the App Store, why even use Windows 8, why take away the Start button, why put in a Metro interface? Your logic escapes me.
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by KarterJK View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Then don't use the Windows Store. If you have no need for it, don't use it. It's like if someone complained about the Desktop Gadgets in 7 even though they had no need for them, never used them or didn't care for them. Uninstall the apps if you want, they're real easy to. Windows 8 isn't an only WinRT app based OS, that's Windows 8 RT for ARM processors.

    A tale of Windows store success: the developer making $30k a month - Neowin

    But no, you can't really call the Windows Store a failure when it's not even a year old. It took several for apple to get a good return on the ios store, let alone the indirect benefit of using ios on the ipad. I have no idea if google makes money off google play or whatever it once was since android has a lot of free apps.

    In the meantime, for those that use the Windows Store apps, THEY will be the ones that will push developers the way they want them to go.
    Did I say it was a failure? No, you did.

    Listen don't shoot the messenger, honestly your response is something I would expect in a gaming forum, eewww OMG "Then don't use it", really? a bit childish don't you think.

    I have been using Windows products since day one, started out on Bill Gates MS DOS, that's how I learned to program, hate to admit that I am that old, but doesn't change that facts, of my assessment of the Windows Store. I am the goto guy with my friends, Mr. computer fixit, and when they ask me about Windows 8, is that what you want to tell them "DONT USE IT"? Or the entrepreneur starting a business "DONT USE IT"?

    NO I want them to make it better, I want to be able to tell people that it is a viable option. At this point, I can't. And your little story, does not make it a success

    here how about this
    British whiz kid, 17, sells app to Yahoo

    and I am not saying that good apps haven't been written or can't be written, they can. What I am saying is that Microsoft is not doing anything to help promote them. What's the point of a good app if it is buried under tons of rubble?

    If not the App Store, why even use Windows 8, why take away the Start button, why put in a Metro interface? Your logic escapes me.
    Your logic escapes me too...

    There are issues with the Windows Store for sure, but really, there are efforts on Microsoft's behalf to highlight the better apps over the crap apps. You usually never see some crap app being promoted in the Windows Store. Basically, never. Even better so, Desktop apps are on the Windows Store, you can get the whole Adobe Creative Suite from it. A good chunk of the Photos section of it is based upon Desktop apps. In the Security section, anti virus software on the Desktop. The difference here is that those Desktop apps have to go through a certification process to make sure they're digitally signed and whatnot.

    But then again, if you don't like it, why even use it? I don't see why one would force themselves to use the Windows Store and claim they're being forced to use it, or use the Windows Store and say it's not worthwhile. Don't use it. Simple as that. There shouldn't be any other response to that at this point in time other than that.
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  6. #16


    @ the OP

    If I may ask. How long have you used 8? Do you own a business or have a business degree?
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  7. #17


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    Hi there
    Most apps IMO are a load of junk whether they are for mobile phones or PC's.
    Also there's very little QC and do you really want to riddle your PC with "Apps" devised by people coming home on a Saturday night drunk after a night in the pub. A lot of these "One man" type apps won't exist maybe even a few MONTHS later --what happens when the "developer" just gets fed up.

    Apple might have a different system in place but Windows isn't this type of OS -- but it's all to do with generating revenue -- that GHASTLY word "Monetisation".

    What the Windows store is hoping to lead people to in future is you don't "Buy" software but only rent it. Office 365 is a start in this process --- not one that I want any part of.

    Fortunately for me I'm nearing retirement -- so I could probably keep what I have for the next 20 years and be satisfied with it -- the youngsters have a much more uncertain future with the whole idea of OS's like Windows and the applications it runs.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    @ the OP

    If I may ask. How long have you used 8? Do you own a business or have a business degree?
    Well, I beta tested 8 for a year, as I stated earlier, I have had my tablet for 4+ months, and I have owned 3 businesses, semi-retired now. Oh, I forgot I bought my mother a windows 8 laptop.

    What amazes me, is how some of these people consider improving the App Store as a bad thing. Why wouldn't you want it improved? If they worked for me with these types of attitudes, I would fire them.

    It's not my fault, they designed it the way they did. But, then again, some people refuse to believe the obvious.

    So what type of credentials do the nay-sayers have? Doesn't matter any way, it won't make them any smarter.
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  9. #19


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    Quote Originally Posted by KarterJK View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    @ the OP

    If I may ask. How long have you used 8? Do you own a business or have a business degree?
    Well, I beta tested 8 for a year, as I stated earlier, I have had my tablet for 4+ months, and I have owned 3 businesses, semi-retired now. Oh, I forgot I bought my mother a windows 8 laptop.

    What amazes me, is how some of these people consider improving the App Store as a bad thing. Why wouldn't you want it improved? If they worked for me with these types of attitudes, I would fire them.

    It's not my fault, they designed it the way they did. But, then again, some people refuse to believe the obvious.

    So what type of credentials do the nay-sayers have? Doesn't matter any way, it won't make them any smarter.

    Hi there
    Does a Doctorate (Ph.D) in Electrical Engineering from University of London (Imperial College) plus a Masters degree in Mathematics from University of Manchester suffice as someone who is entitled to have a valid opinion on the quality of some of these apps - or even the idea of using these.

    My BIG problem with this type of stuff is on how Ms can do any sort of QC on these -- and also for people who say only sell 200 or so copies a month -- does Ms really have all the financial systems in place to pay the developers correctly, handle the differing tax rates in various jurisdictions and debiting people's cards correctly for what is by Ms standards almost trivially small amounts of money.

    I also have problems with some of the "Amateur" status of these apps -- if you are buying something for a PC I would suggest you DO need continuity from the developers. On phones people don't seem to worry too much but if you were say having to purchase corporate software you really do need to have properly packaged and supported applictions -- say Ms Office or Photoshop for example. Some companies like Adobe might be OK with submitting their software via the Windows store - but unless you can change (almost impossible IMO) the way Software installs in Windows you can't stop people supplying "Stand alone installable software" from any source.

    The Fruit Company has a different philosophy and installing software on Macs has always been done in a proprietary manner -- with Windows it's going to be rather more complicated.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #20


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    Also there's very little QC and do you really want to riddle your PC with "Apps" devised by people coming home on a Saturday night drunk after a night in the pub. A lot of these "One man" type apps won't exist maybe even a few MONTHS later --what happens when the "developer" just gets fed up.

    jimbo
    I just love it, Jimbo


    " Fortunately for me I'm nearing retirement -- so I could probably keep what I have for the next 20 years and be satisfied with it -- the youngsters have a much more uncertain future with the whole idea of OS's like Windows and the applications it runs."

    I am retired. Works for me also!
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