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I am so lost here How can I simply go back to 7?

  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonshi View Post

    lol, that what is the point of upgrading to Windows 8 in the first place?
    What was the point of upgrading from vista to 7 if 7 had the very same underpinnings as vista?
    You might just as well say why upgrade from Windows 2000 -- the whole kybosh is basically dependant on old Windows NT code -- even the Windows identifiers of Windows 8 still is labelled Windows NT 6--I think.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Yep, NT 6.2 in Windows 8, to keep compatibility with vista and 7 software.

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  2. #22


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    No, not really, but I do. It's that small thing that needs to be sidestepped around. I do hot swapping of drives and copying data over as it's the fastest way: hard drive to hard drive. A USB drive could work, but it would take a while to copy data from one drive, to the USB drive, then over to the destination drive.
    Get an external SSD on an eSata enclosure. Then it's fast - SSD to SSD.
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  3. #23


    Posts : 33
    Windows 8 professional


    Again, thanks to all who posted here. This old granny is eternally grateful for any and all help. Even though I have been a pretty active computer user since the early 1980's I still get lost and find things since DOS to easy to get lost in. I knew how to use DOS......

    Jimbo, if you read through the rest of my original post you will see that Incredimail is not my real issue at all. My real issues are in how the account permissions work and what is wrong with my user account at the moment. How do I fix it. Why does the Admin account have issues running something that runs just fine from the user account? When I install something from the admin account, how do I make it available and usable to all accounts. Right now I can not figure out how to do that for Neverwinter and this is making me miss the entire Beta week-end, which is very upsetting to me as I missed the last one due to the same kind of issues with 8. I have been waiting for this event and the release of this game for years.

    First, I do not use IE or Outlook. They are both full of security holes and I know this so I use Chrome and Incredimail. I am very good about keeping things up to date as I know how important this is and when I installed W8 I did make sure all was compatible versions or I removed the application. Incredimail was working just fine in my user account, and still is, in fact. I have been using it for years because it rarely gets hacked and it can download my mail from anywhere. Since I have several e-mail accounts this is a big bonus for me. This problem is only in the Administrator account and fairly new as issues go. It was just the last one I ran in to before posting here. The straw that broke the camel's back, I guess. I would, however, find a new application if IM did not work with 8.

    Second, I have LOTS of 3rd party software. I am a digital artist so I have many Adobe and Corel products. I also am a gamer so I have things like Diablo 3 and Portal on my machine. I subscribe to Steam, so it is there too. This issue did not start with any of them, though, but with a small application I downloaded from Microsoft on the Windows 8 store. At least I think that may be where it started. I know this is the day I stopped being able to install anything on my user account and started getting that error every time I tried. The first thing that gave me issue was in attempting to install Samsung Kies for my Note tablet. That was the first instance of that error code. This was a couple of weeks ago at least.

    My real issues are, 1) How do I fix this error? I have run virus scans and malware scans and all have come up clean. Would a system reset maybe help? I would happily do this if it would fix things. I will follow the steps outlined to me on another forum I have also posted to and scan with some very special tools as soon as I can answer a question as to how this is done. Maybe this will find the problem. If I knew for sure what caused problems I would be sure to remove it and fix the issue, but no idea of how to proceed at the moment. One thing that I do need answered is, what to do if the scan tool wants the disk to repair damaged files? I have the downloaded version of Win 8, so no disk.

    2) How do I grant a higher level of permission to my user account now? I looked at that tool and do not understand it at all. I see that you can add a Power User group to your groups but it brings up a box with stuff you have to fill in and I have no idea of what to do in that area. Neither does my husband. I have searched Microsoft's info and found nothing on this at all, only that thing that explains how to set user notifications. This is not what I need at all. How do I find these answers so I can set things up properly?

    I just want my computer to work for me and right now it is not.
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Incredimail is a virus and should be uninstalled asap.
    Actually, it is not a virus. I have been using it for years and years and had zero problems with it. Thanks for the input, but this something I have learned to trust.
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  5. #25


    Germany/Florida
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    Quote Originally Posted by copperscale View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Incredimail is a virus and should be uninstalled asap.
    Actually, it is not a virus. I have been using it for years and years and had zero problems with it. Thanks for the input, but this something I have learned to trust.
    It was classified as a kind of trojan that snoops out what you are doing on the system - at least that's what I once read. But in any case, it is an internet polluter. Makes a lot of MBs out of a 2 line note that is only a couple of KBs and then clogs up the internet with it. I think it is as useful as a shot in the knee.
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  6. #26


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    No, not really, but I do. It's that small thing that needs to be sidestepped around. I do hot swapping of drives and copying data over as it's the fastest way: hard drive to hard drive. A USB drive could work, but it would take a while to copy data from one drive, to the USB drive, then over to the destination drive.
    Get an external SSD on an eSata enclosure. Then it's fast - SSD to SSD.
    I would, but then I'd need to invest in a large ample SSD, and then an eSATA (I'd probably just do a USB 3 enclosure as most PCs I work on don't have that) enclosure versus just hard drive to hard drive. I'm actually redesigning my desktop case to have two external 2.5" SATA hard drive ports and I think I might do a couple of mSATA ports as well as I do a lot of hot swapping with that. But honestly, the issue of Hybrid Boot is really the ONLY technical issue I come across with Windows 8. It's a tad annoying when I spend 15 minutes transferring something over only to realize the hard drive from the PC was shut down with Hybrid Boot and the files aren't even there.

    Oh, and that's also how I'm planning to deploy Windows 8 onto other's PCs, hard drive to hard drive installs with the WADK deployment kit. Use a customized install.wim file for OEM reinstalls, deploy it onto the target drive, move data back onto that drive, pop it in back to the PC, boot up and install drivers, activate and make sure everything is in place and BAM! It took about 30 minutes to install Windows, Office, additional software, and customize the UI. That over spending a few hours? YES.
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  7. #27


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    Right, with the WAIK you can do that - after you spent 2 hours downloading the 1.7GB bugger. But I have all the time in the world. I do it the more traditional way although I like fast hardware - that helps.

    New operating systems I install with WMware Player on an external SSD. That works with any system - even Windows 8. But USB3 is the best I can do, WMware does not support eSata which is a bit faster than USB3 (although the specs would tell you the opposite).
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  8. #28


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Right, with the WAIK you can do that - after you spent 2 hours downloading the 1.7GB bugger. But I have all the time in the world. I do it the more traditional way although I like fast hardware - that helps.

    New operating systems I install with WMware Player on an external SSD. That works with any system - even Windows 8. But USB3 is the best I can do, WMware does not support eSata which is a bit faster than USB3 (although the specs would tell you the opposite).
    It's a big bug to download, but worth it. You can do customizing of wim files as well I believe. It's nicer for me as it takes me a while to install Windows through USB 2, then install software such as Office, Decor8, YouTube Downloader, uTorrent, usually Zune or the Windows Phone app, and a few other metro apps as well. THEN, go through the software and Windows (pinning things to Start, personalizing, and changing app defaults along with changing window border padding and scroll bar size among a few other Windows Metrics things) and configure everything to a logical liking. So that way, when I hand the PC back to the owner, it's in perfect customized condition so when the person starts up their PC and use it, it's like new. This also means doing an overnight wipe down of the hard drive to get rid of EVERY bit of data on the hard drive and a couple of thorough reformats and physically cleaning down the PC itself and sanitizing it. If it's real dirty, I'll tear it down to clean out the heatsink and put new thermal paste on it.

    I do not screw around.
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  9. #29


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    Well, your case is different. You are servicing PCs from other people. That is your business. I only maintain my own systems - the 3 from my wife and my 3 systems. That is not very time consuming. My wife uses only 3 programs - IE, AOL and Word. So she is easy.
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  10. #30


    Posts : 33
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    Quote Originally Posted by copperscale View Post
    Again, thanks to all who posted here. This old granny is eternally grateful for any and all help. Even though I have been a pretty active computer user since the early 1980's I still get lost and find things since DOS to easy to get lost in. I knew how to use DOS......

    My real issues are, 1) How do I fix this error? I have run virus scans and malware scans and all have come up clean. Would a system reset maybe help? I would happily do this if it would fix things. I will follow the steps outlined to me on another forum I have also posted to and scan with some very special tools as soon as I can answer a question as to how this is done. Maybe this will find the problem. If I knew for sure what caused problems I would be sure to remove it and fix the issue, but no idea of how to proceed at the moment. One thing that I do need answered is, what to do if the scan tool wants the disk to repair damaged files? I have the downloaded version of Win 8, so no disk.

    2) How do I grant a higher level of permission to my user account now? I looked at that tool and do not understand it at all. I see that you can add a Power User group to your groups but it brings up a box with stuff you have to fill in and I have no idea of what to do in that area. Neither does my husband. I have searched Microsoft's info and found nothing on this at all, only that thing that explains how to set user notifications. This is not what I need at all. How do I find these answers so I can set things up properly?

    I just want my computer to work for me and right now it is not.

    Please, can we get this thread back to the questions I am trying to answer here.

    Thanks much,

    Jane
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