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Ways to save Windows 8.

  1. #31


    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    I have them both and am really pleased with Windows 8 now. I previously had Windows 7 with Rainmeter Omnimo Skin installed, so this is really a nice transition for me. Windows 8 is running fast and stable for me - no complaints at all with my current configuration.

    Below is the way my start screen looks, using Start 8 and a couple Rainmeter skins. The start button is the Windows Flag in the lower left corner.

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  2. #32


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    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP


    Glad the apps are helping. Not criticizing, but I distinguish between liking Win8 and liking Win8 as improved by 3rd-party apps.

    I think MS needs to step up to the plate and provide the sorts of things users want out of the box. Out of the box, I think Win8 is OK for use; it does a credible job of dong what I want to do with a computer. But, I can't say I like it. I wouldn't have paid much more for it than the $39.99 upgrade price. I would like Win8 if MS made the sorts of changes I mentioned above.
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  3. #33


    Posts : 76
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by KeyboardDemon View Post
    I must be in the minority then, I prefer the metro interface to the old Windows hierarchical menu structure. If I went back to Windows 7 now the first thing I'd be looking for is an overlay that lets me customise how I access the programs I use. It doesn't have to be metro, but something similar that lets me just drag and drop icons so I can find the ones I want as easily as I can in metro is better for me then having to scroll through a stack of folder names while I try and remember the name of the program I want to launch.
    Overly dramatic much? You honestly think anyone is going to believe that in Windows 7, if you had a program you launched more than once - that you dug through a hierarchical menu every time you wanted to launch it? You don't know what shortcuts are? What the Search box on the Start Menu was? What pinning to your taskbar was? Or the 1,000's of applications that let you customize Windows 7 program launching were?

    My god, such a over exaggerated reason for saying Metro is better.
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  4. #34


    Posts : 76
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Oh posh...

    Just go back to using Windows 7, that is what will save EVERYONE that is using Windows 8 lots of annoyance.

    Would going back to Windows 7 allow you the ability to run 5-10 Windows 8 apps at the same time in smaller windows on multiple displays WHILE allowing you to do desktop work??? Didn't think so.

    You brown-nosers are unreal. A program is created that alot of people are excited about - that will move them into using Windows 8 the way it should be used (imo anyway)...yet you STILL argue and tell people to go back to 7. Get over yourselves, seriously.
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  5. #35


    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    I've not said what I think lately. I think MS needs to:
    1. add a new and improved start menu;
    They did because a majority weren't using the Start Menu. It's called a Start Screen. A much better system IMO:

    1. Informational live tiles.
    2. Arrange as I see fit.
    3. Make it as short or long as I see fit.
    4. Larger screen to view better.
    5. Colorful, not bland.

    Designing the Start screen
    Evolving the Start menu - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

    I will inject that the Start Screen and tiles could be improved by a tile opening (exploding) to "sub-tiles" for "submenus". e.g. Office tile opens more tiles for Office programs, like Word, Excel, etc. The Screen does get rather large pinning all of them. This would be somewhat on the same order that the Start Menu opens submenus.

    2. allow startup to both desktop and metro;
    How can we start to both?!! The Desktop is now a portal the Start Screen. What's the big deal? Add desktop tile to the Start Screen or WinKey/D. Add menus to the desktop as Jimbo has suggested. Tack items to the good old Taskbar. Basically it's the same old desktop without a Start Orb or Menu.

    3. fix Win8 so that everything that can be done from metro can be done through the desktop--but in seriously improved ways;
    4. following up on 3, allow metro to be completely turned off;
    Might as well stick with 7 with added features of 8 = 7.5. Then we stick with the same old BLAH IMO.

    5. improve the metro area's functioning significantly (see Modern Mix);
    I'll agree with you here. Apps need to be able to window for power users. I've always said this. I think it will eventually be a multipaned screen, though.

    6. stop pushing the cloud and the MS login;
    One still has a choice of local account. I'm glad I have a choice of MS login. Concerned about privacy I take it? Don't wire/WiFi a device to the Internet then. Don't use the cloud, email, browser, IM, Inet phone, and/or all the bennies that come with it.

    7. redesign the new Office so that cloud push can be disabled with the click of one button;
    I don't have Office on my 8 side yet. Planning to upgrade. I did try out 2013 for a bit. So far as I know one can save work to local disk instead of the Cloud. Can be configured that way as default, correct?

    8. offer retail Win8 full-install DVD set;
    I just live chatted with the MS online store. They stated it will be released soon and to watch for it. I went ahead and bought 8 Pro OEM from another online store. I don't understand why MS Store doesn't carry it.

    9. improve the functioning of the metro apps significantly;
    Not sure what you mean here. They seem to function fine for what they are.

    10. allow eye-candy like Aero on desktop;
    OK, but it will eat up resources. Depends how powerful one's device is I guess.

    11. rewrite the requirements for using MS system-builder software so that they are not so misleading (as appears to be the case);
    I'm not so much learned in this area, so I can't comment.

    12. find a name for "metro;" and
    It's silly that they are fighting over a word. Geez...

    13. require OEM's to provide clean-install (i.e., reinstall) software and to cover its use via warranty/support.
    Agree with you here 100%, but they love their BS recovery partitions to reload all their crapware don't they?!!

    Can Windows 8 be improved? Of course, but I think MS did a good job for their first iteration of the changes that have to be made.
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  6. #36


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    Could go on forever about each individuals preferred tweaks.

    Going on the available information, this is what MS need to do:

    1. Include option boot to desktop and some kind of start menu.


    That is the biggest issue.

    [1a. Some kind of app. windowing on desktop is worth doing.

    Bit like the stardock thing , but that is not currently a deal breaker.]


    2. Get the positioning right.


    It was way off on the initial offerings. They must fix that. Marketing thing cbb going into details.


    3. Let the potential buyers know.


    They have already rejected the current offering. They need to look at the new offer.
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  7. #37


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    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    I've not said what I think lately. I think MS needs to:
    1. add a new and improved start menu;
    a. They did because a majority weren't using the Start Menu. It's called a Start Screen. A much better system IMO:

    1. Informational live tiles.
    2. Arrange as I see fit.
    3. Make it as short or long as I see fit.
    4. Larger screen to view better.
    5. Colorful, not bland.

    Designing the Start screen
    Evolving the Start menu - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

    I will inject that the Start Screen and tiles could be improved by a tile opening (exploding) to "sub-tiles" for "submenus". e.g. Office tile opens more tiles for Office programs, like Word, Excel, etc. The Screen does get rather large pinning all of them. This would be somewhat on the same order that the Start Menu opens submenus.

    b.
    2. allow startup to both desktop and metro;
    How can we start to both?!! The Desktop is now a portal the Start Screen. What's the big deal? Add desktop tile to the Start Screen or WinKey/D. Add menus to the desktop as Jimbo has suggested. Tack items to the good old Taskbar. Basically it's the same old desktop without a Start Orb or Menu.



    c. Might as well stick with 7 with added features of 8 = 7.5. Then we stick with the same old BLAH IMO.



    I'll agree with you here. Apps need to be able to window for power users. I've always said this. I think it will eventually be a multipaned screen, though.



    d. One still has a choice of local account. I'm glad I have a choice of MS login. Concerned about privacy I take it? Don't wire/WiFi a device to the Internet then. Don't use the cloud, email, browser, IM, Inet phone, and/or all the bennies that come with it.



    e. I don't have Office on my 8 side yet. Planning to upgrade. I did try out 2013 for a bit. So far as I know one can save work to local disk instead of the Cloud. Can be configured that way as default, correct?



    f. I just live chatted with the MS online store. They stated it will be released soon and to watch for it. I went ahead and bought 8 Pro OEM from another online store. I don't understand why MS Store doesn't carry it.



    g. Not sure what you mean here. They seem to function fine for what they are.



    h. OK, but it will eat up resources. Depends how powerful one's device is I guess.



    I'm not so much learned in this area, so I can't comment.

    12. find a name for "metro;" and
    i. It's silly that they are fighting over a word. Geez...

    13. require OEM's to provide clean-install (i.e., reinstall) software and to cover its use via warranty/support.
    Agree with you here 100%, but they love their BS recovery partitions to reload all their crapware don't they?!!

    Can Windows 8 be improved? Of course, but I think MS did a good job for their first iteration of the changes that have to be made.
    a. I meant on the desktop, of course. I don't believe that the majority of Win 7, for example, users were not using the start menu. The start screen is OK if one is a metro fan/user--which I am not.
    b. Using the word, "both," does not imply at the same time. My desktop is well designed. I have no problem with the desktop. Don't even use a third-party start menu--just a taskbar toolbar, etc. (although I would prefer to have an out-of- the box MS start menu). My start screen is well designed too; it gets me out of metro as efficiently as possible to get on with what I want to do next. I use metro only when absolutely necessary--which doesn't happen very often.
    c. That's pretty much what I do with 8 except when playing with the OS. My idea is to give both groups, as well as the in betweens, to use the OS as they prefer.
    d. Didn't object to having both. Objected to the way MS pushes use of an MS account, especially during installation.
    e. Yes, of course, you can save to disk, etc. I objected only to the MS cloud push implicit in the new Office.
    f. That's good.
    g. Not going to explain my views here. Too much involved. Let's just leave it at--I think the apps are rinky dink and poorly designed in general.
    h. Yes, and you presumably could always turn Aero off as in Win7. Windows has all sorts of visual effects selections even in Win8 as things stand.
    i. Yep, silly. Wish MS had chosen a one word name so we'd have a convenient way to refer to the interface "once known as" Metro.
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  8. #38


    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    Hope everyone can take a joke. I can't get this cartoon I once saw out of my head every time I see the title of this thread. I found a reasonably facsimile of it on a mousepad ad. So, when it comes to saving Win8, I think it will take the work of a higher power.
    A higher power looks like the only option because of all the bad in the news.

    Windows 8 failing to stem post-PC tide, analyst says | Microsoft - CNET News
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  9. #39


    Posts : 3
    Windows 8


    Jimbo,

    I'm assuming you have figured out how to easily toggle between multiple programs from the windows 8 start menu then? I'm currently a grad student and need to run and toggle between several programs at once in order to easily complete my assignments (I need Microsoft excel, word, endnote, powerpoint, dropbox, etc. while accessing many internet tabs ). I can do this from the default scenario (i.e. the "old windows" screen), but not the start menu where all the programs are located, creating an extra step for each program needed to complete my assignment; and the whole process seems basically unfeasible from the windows 8 start menu. If you have a easy solution for this dilemma, that would be great. I have been trying to figure out way to streamline the workload in such a way that it would be comparable to windows 7 for several hours now with no success. Thanks!

    -zjud[/QUOTE]

    I don't know how people struggle with this, I don't, but there are two methods to do this, first is the old Windows way, hold ALT and tap TAB, this brings up a strip in the middle of the screen with a small thumbnail of each open application on your PC, keep tapping tab to move to the next program along and release the ALT key to use it or use ALT+SHIFT and TAB to go to the previous program.

    The Windows 8 Metro option is to move your pointer to the top left corner of the screen and click to get to the most recently used application or when your cursor is in that corner a small box is drawn on the left hand edge just a short way down from the top corner, mousing over to this box opens the switch list where you can see all of your open applications and just click on the one you want to make it active.

    Now I would usually go for the ALT + TAB method if I was typing something but do use the Switch list when I already have my hand on the mouse, but both methods are very simple.

    Here's a tutorial on it though in case I haven't explained myself well enough.[/QUOTE]


    Demon,

    Thanks, alt + tab method works really well, and I haven't been having any problems. What I also wanted was a minimizing effect where I could view multiple documents at once (to re-phrase information onto a document while reading another document to check your work, often done during school). A friend showed me how to slide windows over in the start menu so you can still view multiple windows at once. However, you do have to pick one to be 1/4 screen and one to be 3/4 screen, which still works OK, but do you know if there is a method to adjust window size from start menu if you have multiple windows open at once (even 1/2 screen and 1/2 screen would be better, my friend didn't know how)?

    -zjud
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  10. #40


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    Windows 8 Pro (64 Bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by symbiont View Post
    Overly dramatic much?
    I don't think so, but you're entitled to think differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by symbiont View Post
    You honestly think anyone is going to believe that in Windows 7, if you had a program you launched more than once - that you dug through a hierarchical menu every time you wanted to launch it? You don't know what shortcuts are? What the Search box on the Start Menu was? What pinning to your taskbar was? Or the 1,000's of applications that let you customize Windows 7 program launching were?

    My god, such a over exaggerated reason for saying Metro is better.
    I could have used shortcuts, but then I end up with a cluttered desktop covered in shortcuts which I find messy and annoying. Now I can arrange things into groups, and my groups are classified by the types of activity or tasks that those programs are used for, just like my tool box, where I have my socket wrenches, spanners, screwdrivers etc... all stored in their own compartments. I can't imagine what life would be like if I had to arrange them alphabetically by manufacturer so I have to look up Stanley or cross head or maybe it was Philips when all I want is a screwdriver. The groups I create on Windows 8 are just like the draws in my tool box. It's simple and I am happy with it, I wouldn't want to go back to the Windows 7 way having tried it this way, and I'm not exaggerating when I say that.
    Last edited by KeyboardDemon; 30 Mar 2013 at 14:37.
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