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Will 90 percent of users always hate Windows 8?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    I think we have exchanged all the arguments that are possible. At the end, everybody has to decide for himself/herself whether to use Windows 8 or not.

    I have been using Windows 8 for a year now and find it interesting as a study object. But for my production systems I prefer Windows 7. And that is not because I don't want to learn Windows 8. I think I know as much about it as the next guy and I made a whole series of tutorials on it.

    Windows 8 just does not feel right and I don't want to be taken hostage by M$. That's why I now installed Linux Mint Mate as an alternative OS. That is a very slick system and may well be my next OS when Windows 7 has come to EOL.
    At least a good number of them while someone will always find something else to gripe about no less! Hopefully MS smartens up for the next Windows Blue or whatever or will continue to lose desktop users and see desktop sales slump even further when people continue to run with the older versions or another OS entirely. Afterall there is Wine for Linux!

    Here it wasn't simply stripping away the desktop Aero type gui and slapping the Windows RT Tablet designed gui on the latest desktop? version but also stripping away at the features and support for media playback that have been included in Windows for some time now. Some expected compatibility issues came into play and the result was seeing a version that wouldn't work out even as the secondary OS in a dual boot. It's a shame since the core elements are what actually saw a new half version of Windows with Tablet thrown on top.

    Putting it simply the need to add 3rd party apps of any type on a supposedly new "Desktop" not Tablet but desktop version of Windows shouldn't need a 3rd party app to restore a desktop shell to start with! MS failed right off by not providing "OPTIONS"! While many disapproved of Vista look back and notice at least that saw the options for Aero or Classic as the next newer version from XP when mentioning being "progressive".

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    Vista was a gem compared to this thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    You are speaking of change for the better.
    Exactly, change for the better is fine.

    Change for the worse will not go down so well.

    I doesn't matter what a tiny number of fans think. The public do not want what is being offered.

    If you want to believe it is the customers fault - they are stupid, lazy , or any other insult you want to throw at them - then that is up to you.

    That is the kind of thing Dictators go for - they are too stupid - we know what is best for them , etc.
    By your postings you think 8 is a change for the worse. Were you around for the change of DOS to Windows 95? A big change of interface wouldn't you agree? From a command line OS to a desktop OS. More user friendly the way I see it. One didn't need to be an Einstein to use it any longer. Just press an icon to open a file. All neatly based on office filing system. Desktop, folders, filing cabinet, etc. Not too difficult to comprehend.

    That was the birth of Windows, correct? Since then MS has changed each OS for what they thought was for the better. There were those that liked or disliked the changes for each new edition. MS continued selling a lot of OSs. Billions for $billions$.

    I'm beginning to see that it's not that 8 is broken, it's the fact that it's too big of a change, therefore people for the most part don't want to learn it. This is what the article points out.

    No, I never call them stupid, lazy, or otherwise, but I will call them stubborn. Stubborn to what a majority on this forum see what is a change for the better. Forum polls show this majority, not just "a few". But, we on the forum are techies or enthusiasts, so we most likely fall in the 1/9% category not the 90%.

    Did MS make changes to attempt to make more money? Of course they did. Just like DOS to 95 to 98 to 98SE and so on. I see no problem with the Start Screen/All Apps replacing the Start Menu. I see no problem using a Live account for one to sign into one's computer. I see no problem with them with opening their Store to sell apps. I see no problem with them trying to attract users to the cloud. I see no problem with subscription software. I see no problem with any of this as long as there remains an alternative and there remains an alternative to every one I mentioned except one. The Start Screen. It's still a searchable menu.

    When there's no alternative to the others, then there's a problem. A problem of "dictatorship".
    Funny that I know precisely where SIW is coming from when he reflected on a change for the better is actual progression while what is being seen with 8 is not progression as far as the desktop platform or any other is concerned. It was MS mishmashing unmatched guis as a marketing decision to promote their new "Tablets" not help OEMs any sell new desktops and laptops with a new "desktop" version on them!

    And another thing to note here it was simply Dos to 95, It was Dos to Dos/Windows 1.0, Dos to Windows 2.0, Dos to Windows 3.0, Dos to Windows 3.1, Dos to Windows 3.11 the predacessor of Windows NT which DID go off in a different direction back then too! But that was progressive from the NT side of the equation. Dos/3.1 then saw the progression to 95 witn Dos mode bringing in the first OS with a desktop gui that started up automatically rather then typing "win" and pressing enter at a dos prompt. It also simply user access to system settings as well as bringing all programs togetther under one roof where you could FIND things.

    Do you want to hear the "What nots' 8 is bringing in on the other hand as MS trashes the desktop in favor of their new Surface Tablet OS? That's the actual harsh reality of MS making a rash marketing decision at the expense of the desktop user. There is no simpler way to put it. And most are finding themselves "Let Down Big Time" by MS if they do rush to buy into 8 and then realize they have to revert back to Vista or 7 in a hurry! Many a laptop owner cry out loud not having 7 recovery media when rushing head first into 8 Frightmare and then want 7 back!

    What the author was simply reflecting on may not be the precise percentage but does reflect the actual anguish the majority of general consumers will feel when they "get stiffed" with their new 8 machine! not knowing where the "H" things are hdden as well as finding themselves not liking the look and feel of a Tablet touch and swipe gui on a desktop OS to begin with. That's actual fact.

    You can love it or hate but most are simply asking themselves "What in blazed is MS doing over?"!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    I think we have exchanged all the arguments that are possible. At the end, everybody has to decide for himself/herself whether to use Windows 8 or not.

    I have been using Windows 8 for a year now and find it interesting as a study object. But for my production systems I prefer Windows 7. And that is not because I don't want to learn Windows 8. I think I know as much about it as the next guy and I made a whole series of tutorials on it.

    Windows 8 just does not feel right and I don't want to be taken hostage by M$. That's why I now installed Linux Mint Mate as an alternative OS. That is a very slick system and may well be my next OS when Windows 7 has come to EOL.
    At least a good number of them while someone will always find something else to gripe about no less! Hopefully MS smartens up for the next Windows Blue or whatever or will continue to lose desktop users and see desktop sales slump even further when people continue to run with the older versions or another OS entirely. Afterall there is Wine for Linux!

    Here it wasn't simply stripping away the desktop Aero type gui and slapping the Windows RT Tablet designed gui on the latest desktop? version but also stripping away at the features and support for media playback that have been included in Windows for some time now. Some expected compatibility issues came into play and the result was seeing a version that wouldn't work out even as the secondary OS in a dual boot. It's a shame since the core elements are what actually saw a new half version of Windows with Tablet thrown on top.

    Putting it simply the need to add 3rd party apps of any type on a supposedly new "Desktop" not Tablet but desktop version of Windows shouldn't need a 3rd party app to restore a desktop shell to start with! MS failed right off by not providing "OPTIONS"! While many disapproved of Vista look back and notice at least that saw the options for Aero or Classic as the next newer version from XP when mentioning being "progressive".
    People have been using 3rd party options since DOS, so what else is new. People Jailbreak IOS because they don't like what they get, people use mods on Android because they don't like what they get. People are just people, everyone is different, there's no way Microsoft could please everyone.

    Ask 1.5 billion people what they think of the choice for the new Pope, you'd get a huge discrepancy in figures. Microsoft has every right to do what they think is going to make them money and at the same time try to gauge what people like or dislike. Overall I like Windows 8 there are some little things I dislike, but overall I think they're heading in the right direction.

    What I'd like to see is the Naysayers delete all Windows off their computers and live with Linux, Android or IOS, then come back and complain. I think they'd soon change their tunes.

    Instead of complaining daily, why not admit that this is a good move with some little problems, or go and buy a $3000 MacBook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    I think we have exchanged all the arguments that are possible. At the end, everybody has to decide for himself/herself whether to use Windows 8 or not.

    I have been using Windows 8 for a year now and find it interesting as a study object. But for my production systems I prefer Windows 7. And that is not because I don't want to learn Windows 8. I think I know as much about it as the next guy and I made a whole series of tutorials on it.

    Windows 8 just does not feel right and I don't want to be taken hostage by M$. That's why I now installed Linux Mint Mate as an alternative OS. That is a very slick system and may well be my next OS when Windows 7 has come to EOL.
    At least a good number of them while someone will always find something else to gripe about no less! Hopefully MS smartens up for the next Windows Blue or whatever or will continue to lose desktop users and see desktop sales slump even further when people continue to run with the older versions or another OS entirely. Afterall there is Wine for Linux!

    Here it wasn't simply stripping away the desktop Aero type gui and slapping the Windows RT Tablet designed gui on the latest desktop? version but also stripping away at the features and support for media playback that have been included in Windows for some time now. Some expected compatibility issues came into play and the result was seeing a version that wouldn't work out even as the secondary OS in a dual boot. It's a shame since the core elements are what actually saw a new half version of Windows with Tablet thrown on top.

    Putting it simply the need to add 3rd party apps of any type on a supposedly new "Desktop" not Tablet but desktop version of Windows shouldn't need a 3rd party app to restore a desktop shell to start with! MS failed right off by not providing "OPTIONS"! While many disapproved of Vista look back and notice at least that saw the options for Aero or Classic as the next newer version from XP when mentioning being "progressive".
    People have been using 3rd party options since DOS, so what else is new. People Jailbreak IOS because they don't like what they get, people use mods on Android because they don't like what they get. People are just people, everyone is different, there's no way Microsoft could please everyone.

    Ask 1.5 billion people what they think of the choice for the new Pope, you'd get a huge discrepancy in figures. Microsoft has every right to do what they think is going to make them money and at the same time try to gauge what people like or dislike. Overall I like Windows 8 there are some little things I dislike, but overall I think they're heading in the right direction.

    What I'd like to see is the Naysayers delete all Windows off their computers and live with Linux, Android or IOS, then come back and complain. I think they'd soon change their tunes.

    Instead of complaining daily, why not admit that this is a good move with some little problems, or go and buy a $3000 MacBook.
    People have been using all types of OS tweakers for a long time. But never before have they HAD TO have some of them just to see what "should have' already been included in the OS to start with. That's the major contrast with 8 as opposed to any previous version liked or unliked. MS fumbled the ball this time around by "intentionally" side tracking the desktop gui for a Tablet gui.

    This was a deliberate sabotage of the desktop platform to sell tablets! Time to take the blinders off and see what MS is shoving in people's faces! That's a reality check! People are being sold on a new "Half of a New Version" when you look at the desktop ripped apart as well as MS stripping away features included in previous versions. You call that what now? Progress? or DEMISE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post

    At least a good number of them while someone will always find something else to gripe about no less! Hopefully MS smartens up for the next Windows Blue or whatever or will continue to lose desktop users and see desktop sales slump even further when people continue to run with the older versions or another OS entirely. Afterall there is Wine for Linux!

    Here it wasn't simply stripping away the desktop Aero type gui and slapping the Windows RT Tablet designed gui on the latest desktop? version but also stripping away at the features and support for media playback that have been included in Windows for some time now. Some expected compatibility issues came into play and the result was seeing a version that wouldn't work out even as the secondary OS in a dual boot. It's a shame since the core elements are what actually saw a new half version of Windows with Tablet thrown on top.

    Putting it simply the need to add 3rd party apps of any type on a supposedly new "Desktop" not Tablet but desktop version of Windows shouldn't need a 3rd party app to restore a desktop shell to start with! MS failed right off by not providing "OPTIONS"! While many disapproved of Vista look back and notice at least that saw the options for Aero or Classic as the next newer version from XP when mentioning being "progressive".
    People have been using 3rd party options since DOS, so what else is new. People Jailbreak IOS because they don't like what they get, people use mods on Android because they don't like what they get. People are just people, everyone is different, there's no way Microsoft could please everyone.

    Ask 1.5 billion people what they think of the choice for the new Pope, you'd get a huge discrepancy in figures. Microsoft has every right to do what they think is going to make them money and at the same time try to gauge what people like or dislike. Overall I like Windows 8 there are some little things I dislike, but overall I think they're heading in the right direction.

    What I'd like to see is the Naysayers delete all Windows off their computers and live with Linux, Android or IOS, then come back and complain. I think they'd soon change their tunes.

    Instead of complaining daily, why not admit that this is a good move with some little problems, or go and buy a $3000 MacBook.
    People have been using all types of OS tweakers for a long time. But never before have they HAD TO have some of them just to see what "should have' already been included in the OS to start with. That's the major contrast with 8 as opposed to any previous version liked or unliked. MS fumbled the ball this time around by "intentionally" side tracking the desktop gui for a Tablet gui.

    This was a deliberate sabotage of the desktop platform to sell tablets! Time to take the blinders off and see what MS is shoving in people's faces! That's a reality check! People are being sold on a new "Half of a New Version" when you look at the desktop ripped apart as well as MS stripping away features included in previous versions. You call that what now? Progress? or DEMISE!
    I can use all my programmes, and from what I've seen there's only a couple of guys using Windows 95 progs having a problem, so it can't be "Half a New Version".

    I took my blinkers off in the Preview versions, I like what I see. Anyway it's their business, they have to make the calls, if it fails it fails, but I don't think it will, this will become the new XP or most likely better.

    Anyway nobody is using tweakers, they're putting back a mostly useless Start Menu, and a lot of people are dropping that. Lots of people said Norton Commander or whatever it was called was a must have for DOS, nothing ever changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    this will become the new XP or most likely better.
    I don't think so. XP lasted a long time because it was the only thing for a long time. We have only had 8 for months and there is already significant talks of Blue and the next thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    they're putting back a mostly useless Start Menu,
    Might be useless to you, but for many of us, it's used every single day. After getting my new laptop, and having 8 on it, I've adapted fairly well to it. But I did put back that "useless" start menu as you call it and I've customized my start screen with Decor8. With some choice as to how i want to use the OS, it's far more palatable to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    and a lot of people are dropping that. Lots of people said Norton Commander or whatever it was called was a must have for DOS, nothing ever changes.
    I really loved Norton Commander back in the day. In fact, I use an application on my linux hosts called MC (Midnight commander) and it's pretty much Norton Commander to a T. Love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackdashack View Post
    So now ms medab1 you won't be the brunt of all angst here. I've jumped in and I don't know why I bother. I'm having fun on my machine. Let the whiners and complainer and criers just continue. Man, that's not a way to settle this down but it's very close to truth. ":-\
    ms ?
    MR would be better.

    You can't settle down some by anything you say.

    Glad you think I got close though.




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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    this will become the new XP or most likely better.
    I don't think so. XP lasted a long time because it was the only thing for a long time. We have only had 8 for months and there is already significant talks of Blue and the next thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    they're putting back a mostly useless Start Menu,
    Might be useless to you, but for many of us, it's used every single day. After getting my new laptop, and having 8 on it, I've adapted fairly well to it. But I did put back that "useless" start menu as you call it and I've customized my start screen with Decor8. With some choice as to how i want to use the OS, it's far more palatable to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    and a lot of people are dropping that. Lots of people said Norton Commander or whatever it was called was a must have for DOS, nothing ever changes.
    I really loved Norton Commander back in the day. In fact, I use an application on my linux hosts called MC (Midnight commander) and it's pretty much Norton Commander to a T. Love it.
    It might be more palatable to you but to others it's not, same with DOS, are you saying you hated DOS as well? Or are you saying that it was good but you liked it better with Norton. In the end it all comes down to taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    this will become the new XP or most likely better.
    I don't think so. XP lasted a long time because it was the only thing for a long time. We have only had 8 for months and there is already significant talks of Blue and the next thing.

    Might be useless to you, but for many of us, it's used every single day. After getting my new laptop, and having 8 on it, I've adapted fairly well to it. But I did put back that "useless" start menu as you call it and I've customized my start screen with Decor8. With some choice as to how i want to use the OS, it's far more palatable to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    and a lot of people are dropping that. Lots of people said Norton Commander or whatever it was called was a must have for DOS, nothing ever changes.
    I really loved Norton Commander back in the day. In fact, I use an application on my linux hosts called MC (Midnight commander) and it's pretty much Norton Commander to a T. Love it.
    It might be more palatable to you but to others it's not, same with DOS, are you saying you hated DOS as well? Or are you saying that it was good but you liked it better with Norton. In the end it all comes down to taste.
    It also boils down to praticality as well as functionality. The leap seen going from 3.x to 9x wasn't any gradual long term process but an "advancement" of the OS seen back then which made an overall improvement for a "desktop" OS!

    What MS did with 8 however is just that only release "half of" what could have been a new major release for the Windows desktop and instead of spending the time developing a new and revised desktop gui they took a fast shortcut to make their new Tablets look good! And of the cheap shot of simply tossing the RT on and calling it a new desktop? version doesn't quite suit the bill.

    "Well since we are putting everything into the new Surface Tablets we will still something to throw on top of the next desktop release or what was worked out will simply go to waste plus we want to appear to be back on our previous 2-3yr. schedule for each newer version of the desktop Windows." "I got an idea we'll simply toss the RT look and call it a day! That make everything look alike!" daaaa... without regard to the effect of a tablet touch & swipe type gui replacing a normal working desktop gui. And you wonder why people immediately frown at what they see?

    Now as far as what program will or can be made to work on 8 that would following the same line of thought you would have done with any previous version. For getting Legacy and XP apps to work on Vista and then 7 and now 8... well no new MS Virtual PC for 8 seen yet that is! The VPC 2007 for Vista and the XP Mode for 7 handles quite a bit showing MS was still in the desktop ball park there! As always however some program will and some simply won't except for some 3rd party help at times like some form of emulator. DOSBox, EDuke for that old Duke3D pc dos, 9x game, VirtualBox, VM Player, Boch's, and the lists continue to grow.

    Now for someone who regularly uses a tablet, IPad, IPhonie, Smart(or not so smart) phone on the go the "new look" is a big thrill for the uninformed! For the advanced productive user on the other hand they are scratching their heads still trying to figure out why MS would trash and abandon the desktop platform until realizing that MS is too busy trying to grab into the tablet mobile market to compete with Googlitis and others!
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