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W8 could be better by REMOVING the desktop APP

  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    LOL.

    Jimbo, there might one or two slight flaws in your idea.
    Hi there -- probably true -- I was just throwing around some ideas -- hopefully most are good but I'm no computer OS designer so some might be impracticable.

    I just like the idea of some of the modern hardware which really do need a new OS -- and can't understand why those users who simply want to use Windows like they are used to using on "classical desktops" just can't be satisfied by staying with Windows 7 since that OS seems to provide everything users of the desktop seem to want and let W8 (and future OS'es) try to play out on the new gear that people are using in droves.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #22


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    ... and let W8 (and future OS'es) try to play out on the new gear that people are using in droves.
    I assume you mean Apple and Android.
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I'd be fine with that as long as they bake some multi monitor support into Metro. Windows RT comes close but even it has a Desktop. .
    rt has a desktop but not the same as 8pro will have on a Surface tablet


    this is a copy past from a google search
    Windows RT vs Windows 8: interface

    Both Windows RT and Windows 8 run the new Metro interface, but Windows 8 can also drop down to the traditional Desktop for older apps. Windows RT can't in the same way: while it does have the old Windows Desktop for some of Microsoft's own apps, the desktop won't be available to third-party software.
    from here .
    Windows 8 vs Windows RT: what's the difference? | News | TechRadar
    Yeah, on the RT device you can't install any of your current x86 classic Windows desktop programs. All you'll get is a "this app is not supported..." message when you try and install or run something codded for the x86 platform. Your limited to the preinstalled "Microsoft" desktop programs and utilities like device manger and control panel etc. The Office RT that's been recoded and included runs from there. You can't install your regular off the shelf Microsoft Office. The Surface Pro runs 8 Pro and has full desktop access just like any PC running 8 Pro. Metro is still one screen only full screen only on both devices though.
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I've found these days now I rarely ever SEE the standard desktop any more -- I use customised toolbars and find I'm actually working BETTER than I was with W7.
    But if the toolbars are not on the standard desktop/taskbar then where are they?
    Hi there
    perhaps I expressed myself badly -- excuses.

    What I meant was that I rarely go into the desktop application directly or launch a program from it any more -- I access the Toolbar from the bottom of the screen (Taskbar) or start my first application from the Start screen rather than go into the desktop and THEN start an application.

    If I could get the toolbar top display on the CHARMS bar then my need for a "Classic Desktop" would 100% disappear.
    Hope that clears it up. You should be able to see what I'm trying to do even if it's not feasible currently.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Yes that's well explained, thanks.

    True, that solves it. I kind of made a bad habit in clicking the Desktop first, because all I need is already pinned, so then I go back to Start (saying to myself: oh I forgot, it was already pinned).

    Sorry I didn't kept in mind that the taskbar is visible on Start, with some tweaks/settings, that's why I was referring to the taskbar on Desktop.

    Cheers
    Hopachi
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    If windows removed its desktop I would never but another copy
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  6. #26


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    After HATING W8 at first and then getting to grips with it -- quite a big learning process -- not in using windows itself but re-arranging working style and conveniently arranging applications -- I actually like it a lot now and see where Ms was trying to go with this one.

    However what I reckon is where they made a big boo boo was to actually provide the DESKTOP environment -- this has the effect of getting 100,000's of people (or millions of people) to attempt to replicate Windows 7 in every sort of way causing a lot of pent up anger and frustration for people who can't get it to work in the same way that they always have.

    Now had they REMOVED the desktop from the outset and REALLY sold Windows as a BRAND NEW WINDOWS a lot more would have tried it - some would like it - some not but there really couldn't have been the backlash as it is a BRAND NEW WINDOWS.

    In order to remove the desktop and still run traditional desktop applications easily would simply require very minor modifications to the current Windows 8.

    1) From the std Metro start screen run traditional applications in default WINDOWED mode -- this allows concurrent windows etc -- most users of traditional desktop applications -- especially when they have large or multiple monitors rarelr run in Full screen only.

    2) Allow traditional apps to have "Expanding tiles" -- for example if I click in say Ms Office the tile would expand to show say EXCEL / POWERPOINT etc.

    3) To start applications from Existing applications -- say I'm in EXCEL and want to start Photoshop then we need to allow toolbars to be visible in the Charms area or on the bottom of the Window of the running applications in windowed mode. (Note we need to do this as we wouldn't have the desktop environment any more to start new applications).

    4) Metro applications should be able to be windowed and made easier to run when using multiple monitors -- full screen is fine for small screens / tablets / mobile phones but very wasteful on large screens or multiple monitors.

    6) The whole functionality of using multiple monitors could be considerably improved.

    I've found these days now I rarely ever SEE the standard desktop any more -- I use customised toolbars and find I'm actually working BETTER than I was with W7.

    Ms made the big error by making W8 to some extent to look like W7 with a basic feature missing -- the Menu which was an integral part of W7-- and traditional Windows. Had W8 been designed as a NEW WINDOWS somewhat on the lines I've suggested there would be some learning curve but 90% of the Vitriol currently being hurled at W8 would probably never have existed.

    I really hope W9 (or the next iteration of Windows will have enough courage to remove the desktop completely.

    (I'm still looking for a method in the current W8 to add a toolbar to the charms bar -- but I think this is a bit beyond my skill set -- somebody though might be able to do it).


    Cheers
    jimbo
    Whilst I DO get where you are going with this and don't get me wrong I'm a totally converted windows 8 fan-girl - I strongly disagree with the removal of the desktop. For a start not everything work related can be done with apps and if that's your preference then you should go with RT.

    I also feel that many people are not giving windows 8 a chance and are trying desperately to replicate windows 7 in windows 8 but I think taking away the start button was enough to get me discovering all the shortcuts and new and exciting things that win 8 has to offer. I LOVE that I have 2 interfaces, one for work and one for play and I have found that I can do everything faster and more efficiently than I ever could with previous windows versions. I also love the new streamlined IE browser but there are times when I need the functionality of a regular browser and I can just flip over to the desktop for that.

    The start screen is fabulous for tablets but for the desktop/laptop its just not sufficient on its own, can you imagine entire offices using what is effectively a Microsoft ipad to do a days work on? I LOVE the start screen but if the desktop was removed I wouldn't be happy at all. You don't have to have the desktop removed to realise the potential of windows 8 you just have to have fun with it, explore it and fall in love with it like the old days of computing when each new piece of software was an exciting revelation - I haven't felt this way about Windows/computers/Microsoft/software/operating systems in general since the first time I installed Linux!
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    [QUOTE=jimbo45;204063]
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I'd be fine with that as long as they bake some multi monitor support into Metro. Windows RT comes close but even it has a Desktop. You can't do much of anything on it aside from the default leftovers that haven't been recoded entirely for Metro. Control panel, msconfog etc. Windows 8 always felt half done to me, some kind of transition OS with a little of this and a little of that. A dedicated tablet OS would be fine with me, just don't take my Windows 7 desktop away from me.
    I think you give people less credit than they deserve, I know exactly what my smart phone can do but I would HATE to do a days work on it! As for surface pro you do realise you can't adjust the viewing angle don't you? also one of the keyboards available is effectively a shirt card - I challenge you to work on this in the office 9-5 for 7 days and then come back and let us know if you feel the same way!
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    Welcome to EightForums, cherryblue. It's good to see a "fan-girl" aboard.
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    It might actually be possible to do that, although it would take a lot of coding and possible head ache to get third party programs working correctly, specifically Desktop apps to work in a modern environment. There would need to be a removal of window chrome, and just do a simple colored outline of the app, but they wouldn't be so much overlap but tile though.
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    [QUOTE=cherryblue;204815]
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I'd be fine with that as long as they bake some multi monitor support into Metro. Windows RT comes close but even it has a Desktop. You can't do much of anything on it aside from the default leftovers that haven't been recoded entirely for Metro. Control panel, msconfog etc. Windows 8 always felt half done to me, some kind of transition OS with a little of this and a little of that. A dedicated tablet OS would be fine with me, just don't take my Windows 7 desktop away from me.
    I think you give people less credit than they deserve, I know exactly what my smart phone can do but I would HATE to do a days work on it! As for surface pro you do realise you can't adjust the viewing angle don't you? also one of the keyboards available is effectively a shirt card - I challenge you to work on this in the office 9-5 for 7 days and then come back and let us know if you feel the same way!
    Um, who is that comment directed at? Me or Jimbo?
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