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  1. #11


    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    I strongly recommend building machines for the intent of "being top of the line for a long time"

    my ever so humble opinion is that this is almost impossible to do ,giving how quick things change
    even buying parts over a 3 or 4 month period you could end up having bought something that you wish you hadn't
    just an opinion based on watching computers change the past 15 years
    I screwed up in my above post and left out a key word "against". I've editing the post and now it reflects my actual opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by azasadny View Post
    I agree with your statements about RAM. I use virtual machines for testing, so I want to give each VM plenty of RAM and have multiple VM's running, so max'ing out the RAM ($175) in my new PC made sense for me. Most will not need more than 8GB of RAM and your analysis makes perfect sense. Either buy just what you need for now and upgrade/replace soon or "buy big" now and plan on keeping the system for a long time. My last system lasted over 6 years for me and my wife is still using it. Of course, the hard drives were replaced long ago.
    My job is virtual machines. I have a ton of them and use them all of the time. And even so, I run with 16GB of RAM in my primary desktop and laptop at work. That allows me to comfortably run 4-6 VM's without any issue. Even with most Windows VM's, I give them 2-4GB of RAM max and that is ok. VM's typically don't get the load that an actual production workstation would need. But VM's are a great reason to have RAM. But I think we agree, its probably best to determine that you actually need RAM for more VM's, than simply to buy today thinking that it might come in handy later.




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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post

    I screwed up in my above post and left out a key word "against". I've editing the post and now it reflects my actual opinion.


    yes, very important missed word ,now we agree ,lol
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  3. #13


    My interpretation of "being top of the line for a long time" is to build a PC that compares favorably (performance-wise) to the newer gear that will come out for quite awhile. For instance, the new Haswell CPU is supposed to be 7-10% faster than the i7-3770k, so it will take several more "generations" of CPUs until the i7-3770k no longer performs comparably to the new CPU. My 6 year old Quad2Core 6600 still compares favorably to the lower end i3 and i5 cPUs as well as most of the AMD's, so even though it's "old" now, it still has some life left in it. As long as your PC will run the applications (and games) that you want, it's still a good PC. As soon as you want something your PC can't provide, you start looking at the "build versus upgrade" choice and go from there...
    Last edited by azasadny; 26 Mar 2013 at 13:13.
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    Thanks for your advices !

    I have found the i7-3770k ($229 USD) to be a particularly good CPU and the ASUS P8Z77-V Lk ($130 USD) or the Intel DZ77GAL-70K ($200 USD) to be excellent motherboards to run the CPU at it's maximum stable speed (I run mine at 4.5GHz).
    Surely 3770k is a very good CPU. My choice for 3930k was more because of the quad-channel platform.

    I would instead purchase 2 x 8GB sticks today, and keep 2 slots free for the future and decide later if you need it.
    The question with RAM is that the board has 4 DIMMs for quad-channel. If I install 4x4GB I'll be stuck on 16GB, by the other hand if I install 2x8GB I'll get only dual-channel.

    I would recommend 2 x GTX680 or 2 x GTX690
    I'm concerned about VGA pricing here in Brazil. That's insane... I wanted a HD7990 6GB, but it costs arround US$ 1700,00 here, just like GTX690. Said that, I'm seriously wondering to get 2x HD7950(70) or 2x GTX680, but anyways the VGAs will be the last parts to be bought.


    Well, there's still a lot of things by the way.

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  5. #15


    Quote Originally Posted by azasadny View Post
    My interpretation of "being top of the line for a long time" is to build a PC that compares favorably (performance-wise) to the newer gear that will come out for quite awhile. For instance, the new Haswell CPU is supposed to be 7-10% faster than the i7-3770k, so it will take several more "generations" of CPUs until the i7-3770k no longer performs comparably to the new CPU. My 6 year old Quad2Core 6600 still compares favorably to the lower end i3 and i5 cPUs as well as most of the AMD's, so even though it's "old" now, it still has some life left in it. As long as your PC will run the applications (and games) that you want, it's still a good PC. As soon as you want something your PC can't provide, you start looking at the "build versus upgrade" choice and go from there...
    Yeah, my current home rig is a Q9550 that I bought in July of 2009. And even though it's nearly 4 years old, it's going strong. I've not been able to justify upgrading to a Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge setup.

    Quote Originally Posted by vrosa View Post
    The question with RAM is that the board has 4 DIMMs for quad-channel. If I install 4x4GB I'll be stuck on 16GB, by the other hand if I install 2x8GB I'll get only dual-channel.
    I will admit, I didn't even realize that quad channel was even out there. That's what happens when you have a 4 year old PC at home. I still would likely go for 4 x 4GB myself and save the cash as more than 16GB of RAM really requires a specific task...but that's up to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    I strongly recommend building machines for the intent of "being top of the line for a long time"

    my ever so humble opinion is that this is almost impossible to do ,giving how quick things change
    even buying parts over a 3 or 4 month period you could end up having bought something that you wish you hadn't
    just an opinion based on watching computers change the past 15 years
    That depends on how you use the PC. I just finished working on this HP laptop that is five years old, dual core Intel Core 2 Duo, four gigs of DDR2 RAM, a spacious hard drive and runs Windows 8 like a charm. If that person were to use it intensively for intensive tasks, yes, this is true. You can't over build to have it last pretty long. BUT, if you really go out and buy the OVER THE SPACE ROOF top of the line parts, they will last FOR SURE. A graphics card with two GPU chips on board kind of won't be pressed to its limits any time soon, and such and such and such...
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  7. #17


    I always start with an excellent power supply, quality motherboard and RAM and a CPU that performs at the "top" of it's class
    (Q6600, I7-3770k, etc...) I can always upgrade hard drives, SSD's, video cards, etc... as tiime goes on but it's very difficult to justify upgrading the CPU or motherboard as to me, that constitutes a new system, not an "upgrade".
    Last edited by azasadny; 27 Mar 2013 at 09:18.
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  8. #18


    My only advice I can give for your new build vrosa is make sure your case is big enough to handle your 7950 (I would recommend the 7970) GPU and if your air cooling can handle one to those big air cooling cpu coolers. I just purchased a Thermaltake Overseer RX 1 full tower, best decision I ever made was going full tower and after my rebate comes in it will have only cost me $79.99. Excellent cable management and excellent air circulation with high end parts is a must have in my book.
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  9. #19


    Quote Originally Posted by azasadny View Post
    I always start with an excellent power supply, quality mothernoard and RAM and a CPU that performs at the "top" of it's class
    (Q6600, I7-3770k, etc...) I can always upgrade hard drives, SSD's, video cards, etc... as tiime goes on but it's very difficult to justify upgrading the CPU or motherboard as to me, that constitutes a new systsm, not an "upgrade".
    Very true ! In 2006 I built a rock solid Q6600 system that served me well for 6 years, time in which I upgraded many times. I still have two skt755 systems, a Q9550 and a QX9770. Those quads are still strong performers, but with the advent of SATA-3, PCI-Ex 3.0 and USB 3.0 I have no option but building a new rig.

    @PParks1:: I will admit, I didn't even realize that quad channel was even out there. That's what happens when you have a 4 year old PC at home. I still would likely go for 4 x 4GB myself and save the cash as more than 16GB of RAM really requires a specific task...but that's up to you.
    @azasadny:: My interpretation of "being top of the line for a long time" is to build a PC that compares favorably (performance-wise) to the newer gear that will come out for quite awhile. For instance, the new Haswell CPU is supposed to be 7-10% faster than the i7-3770k, so it will take several more "generations" of CPUs until the i7-3770k no longer performs comparably to the new CPU.
    Right again ! As a geologist / geotechnical engineer I run several simulation softwares that are multicore optimized and very RAM hungry, and it's important to build a system that will serve me for some years, after all it's better to spend more money one time then rebuild a system every 2 years or so.

    Quote Originally Posted by bassfisher6522 View Post
    My only advice I can give for your new build vrosa is make sure your case is big enough to handle your 7950 (I would recommend the 7970) GPU and if your air cooling can handle one to those big air cooling cpu coolers. I just purchased a Thermaltake Overseer RX 1 full tower, best decision I ever made was going full tower and after my rebate comes in it will have only cost me $79.99. Excellent cable management and excellent air circulation with high end parts is a must have in my book.
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    ... or a Mechatron Black Edition >> Gabinete AeroCool Mechatron Black Edition - Interior Preto - Janela lateral - EN57011 - AeroCool - Gabinete - Oficina dos Bits

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    Last edited by vrosa; 31 Mar 2013 at 13:07.
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  10. #20


    Quote Originally Posted by vrosa View Post
    after all it's better to spend more money one time then rebuild a system every 2 years or so.
    Not sure I completely agree. Let's say you build a computer for $2800 today. Let's say it lasts 4 years. If instead, you build a computer for $1,200 today, then invested the remaining $1,600 for 2 years and then build a new computer in 2 years for another $1,200...you might only have $2400 in the 2 computers at the end of 4 years, and you have 2 full system, and potentially some investment income from that money that you saved on day 1.
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