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Replacement Start Menus - Consensus of opinion

  1. #41


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    A few hours after I started running StartIsBack I was so impressed I bought a serial key. Am now running Win8 Pro OEM installed from shop bought DVD on my top end machine and it absolutely flies!

    I don't mind the bare look of the folders, etc. Quite happy to sacrifice aesthetics for speed any day. All my folders regardless of content are set to list view so only the name is visible ... no details and no navigation pane.

    Aside from a few initial hiccups, like Revo Uninstaller had to be run in compatibility mode Vista or it froze when searching for left over registry entries/files ... aside from that there's no going back to Win7. Shuts down in 2 seconds flat ... unbelievable! Excel docs on Win7 took about 15 seconds to open. With W8 they open in 1 - 2 secs max. Big plus for me as I do a lot of work on Excel/Word. Intel do not support my DX58SO2 extreme board for Win8, but it runs fine with generic drivers loaded by W8. The only thing that won't run is the RaLink WiFi wireless adaptor which came with the board and also runs Blue Tooth. Work around was to buy a Blue Tooth and Wireless USB dongle. All good.

    I still never use Metro, but not worried it's there. Have used it as alternative start screen just to know what it does, and can navigate it fairly quickly, but still prefer to simply have everything on the desktop ... much more efficient IMHO!
    Excerpt from nsane forum:

    One fact about Windows 8 is that it does have a Start Menu, but - the code for the same is hidden away.
    The reason that StartIsBack is lighter on resources is the fact that it uses that very same hidden code. Hence, StartIsBack is a native Start Menu - in other words, it's the hidden Windows 8 Start Menu.

    The reason why Start8 is heavier on resources is that it uses it's own extra code - not the hidden Windows 8 Start Menu code. This extra code can be seen in the form of 2 extra services that are now required to run in the background.
    StartisBack vs. Start8 - Software Chat - nsane.forums

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  2. #42


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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by smurfercom View Post
    Excerpt from nsane forum:

    One fact about Windows 8 is that it does have a Start Menu, but - the code for the same is hidden away.
    The reason that StartIsBack is lighter on resources is the fact that it uses that very same hidden code. Hence, StartIsBack is a native Start Menu - in other words, it's the hidden Windows 8 Start Menu.

    The reason why Start8 is heavier on resources is that it uses it's own extra code - not the hidden Windows 8 Start Menu code. This extra code can be seen in the form of 2 extra services that are now required to run in the background.
    StartisBack vs. Start8 - Software Chat - nsane.forums
    Hi smurfercom. Wow! Brilliant! Mega thanks for that info! You've made my day ... week ... month. That's exactly what I wanted. Something that runs off native W8 code so updates shouldn't bork it.

    Cheers
    Last edited by Mustang; 27 Feb 2013 at 01:06.
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  3. #43


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Didn't Microsoft change something in the code from the release version so that it blocked the use of the native code to recreate the start menu? If they did that once, would they do it again? I sort of look at this like jail breaking of Apple/Android devices, where the hackers are always one step behind, but soon in front again. A fully native start menu is what we really need, but is Steve Balmer listening?
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  4. #44


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    Yeah right on the money Ray! Steve Balmer listening? Hell no!
    Last edited by Mustang; 27 Feb 2013 at 07:27.
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  5. #45


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Didn't Microsoft change something in the code from the release version so that it blocked the use of the native code to recreate the start menu? If they did that once, would they do it again? I sort of look at this like jail breaking of Apple/Android devices, where the hackers are always one step behind, but soon in front again. A fully native start menu is what we really need, but is Steve Balmer listening?
    It would not surprise me it M$ took the start menu away in Windows 7 in an update.
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  6. #46


    Haha! I would agree except that M$ isn't going to be releasing many more updates to Win7, as they want everyone to buy Win8. I know there won't be any more service packs for Win7... just security updates...
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  7. #47


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    That's brilliant, hope Microsoft see it, and the parting words were gold. That guy wasn't a novice computer user either, but it shows that unless you read a fair bit about Windows 8, there's nothing intuitive about it whatsoever.
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  8. #48


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    The thing about W8 in it's native state is that just when you think you've kicked what looks like a winning goal ... the goal posts have suddenly moved!

    It's like going for the brake on a new model car but now the accelerators where the brake used to be ... KA-BOOM!

    Panel beater 1. Consumer 0.
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  9. #49


    As to the video of Pop seeing Windows 8 for the first time, it just proves my points.

    Anyone who thinks they will sit down at a monitor and know what to do with Win 8 fits the category that I cannot type here due to website rules.

    I bought a new AT&T desk top phone with another cordless phones. It came with a complete book of instructions. I still can't set the date, time, answering, number of rings and so on without reading the book again.

    I bought my son a Tide watch, a wrist watch that tells the time, moon phases, calendar date and more. Neither he nor I can set all of the features without the instructions in front of us.

    I bought a new Buick Le Sabre automobile. I couldn't find the battery *( It was moved from under the hood to under the back seat) , couldn't fine the spare tire, couldn't set the clock and figure out some dash board features without the owners manual.

    I bought a new HP digital camera. I couldn't figure out how to set the various features, of which there are MANY, without reading the book.

    I bought a new computer with Windows 8 installed. The first thing I did was hurry down to the book store and buy Windows 8 Step by Step. Simultaneously I looked at the video Tutorials in Win 8 and elsewhere.

    People who are so fundamentally lacking I common sense that they will sit down to a screen and somehow, delusionally, believe that intuitively Win 8 will fly through the air and be absorbed by the pores probably also believe in reincarnation and space aliens. It really takes someone with an IQ higher than their golf score. Then again there are people who couldn't pour pixx from a boot with the instructions written on the heel.

    But then, Hey, I'm a strong advocate of free speech and expression. Even from the Village Moron. .
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  10. #50


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    Quote Originally Posted by wetibbe View Post
    As to the video of Pop seeing Windows 8 for the first time, it just proves my points.

    Anyone who thinks they will sit down at a monitor and know what to do with Win 8 fits the category that I cannot type here due to website rules.

    I bought a new AT&T desk top phone with another cordless phones. It came with a complete book of instructions. I still can't set the date, time, answering, number of rings and so on without reading the book again.

    I bought my son a Tide watch, a wrist watch that tells the time, moon phases, calendar date and more. Neither he nor I can set all of the features without the instructions in front of us.

    I bought a new Buick Le Sabre automobile. I couldn't find the battery *( It was moved from under the hood to under the back seat) , couldn't fine the spare tire, couldn't set the clock and figure out some dash board features without the owners manual.

    I bought a new HP digital camera. I couldn't figure out how to set the various features, of which there are MANY, without reading the book.

    I bought a new computer with Windows 8 installed. The first thing I did was hurry down to the book store and buy Windows 8 Step by Step. Simultaneously I looked at the video Tutorials in Win 8 and elsewhere.

    People who are so fundamentally lacking I common sense that they will sit down to a screen and somehow, delusionally, believe that intuitively Win 8 will fly through the air and be absorbed by the pores probably also believe in reincarnation and space aliens. It really takes someone with an IQ higher than their golf score. Then again there are people who couldn't pour pixx from a boot with the instructions written on the heel.

    But then, Hey, I'm a strong advocate of free speech and expression. Even from the Village Moron. .
    Amen to that!
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