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Help with permissions, sharing, ownership?

  1. #1


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    Help with permissions, sharing, ownership?


    Hello. Two questions I'm seeking help with. Relatively minor, but I'd like to learn how this stuff works, so...

    1. I have two near-identical Dell PCs, freshly upgraded with SSDs and Win8 Pro. I have a habit of saving a text file in C:\ root to log basic install info. For some reason, on one PC I can't edit the file when it's saved in C:\, but on the other, I can (I get the message when trying to save: "Access to c:\file.txt denied"). I can save files to C:\, just can't edit/save it once there. As far as I can tell, the share and permission settings look the same (they should be, I don't believe I've changed any, but perhaps I'm not looking in all the right places.) On both PCs, I'm logged in under the original account created during install--so it's an adminstrator account, not standard. I'd appreciate any help identifying the issue. I don't make a habit of saving files to root, so I'm not looking to debate the merits--I'm more curious to learn why I'm blocked on one system and not the other. edit: To clarify, on both computers: the user account has ownership of the file, inherited permissions via the administrator group, no denials--I can't seem to find anything different between the two.)
    2. I'm moving user data folders from the SSD to secondary spinner (c:\users\logon\videos\, music, etc.) via the location tab in folder properties. However, I noticed when in the original C:\Users\ folder, they aren't visible to other users. It looks like maybe the permissions change when moving the folder? I'd like to keep those folders visible only to the original user unless explicitly shared.

    Thanks for your help. Also, to learn more about permissions/sharing/ownership in Win8--is there a good tutorial or guide for non-techy laymen I could read? There's a lot of great tutorials on this site, including some specifics like how to take ownership, but I don't see something that looks like a general overview.
    Last edited by 6forty; 16 Feb 2013 at 13:36.

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    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit


    I've had this happen to me also. I would like to know the answer. ( Can't copy to C: drive or edit and save file on C: drive." you don't have permission") I am the Administrator. (It is my computer.)
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    On "also, to learn more about permissions/sharing/ownership in Windows 8--is there a good tutorial or guide for non-techy laymen I could read?"

    I am pretty good at making these things work on my home network. But, sometimes I don't even know what I did to fix things. And, I am still, after all these years, afraid to do certain things. I hate those topics, and I've never seen anything decent written on them--in the spirit of what you suggest.

    Let me see if I can find you some links. Not sure you will like them though.

    Edit: I can't find anything decent. Sorry.
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    Windows 8 Pro


    Thanks for the attempt, znod, much obliged.

    I know what you mean--when it comes to this stuff, I don't want to adjust a setting that's going to have a ripple effect and I'm going to find something else broken weeks or months from now as a result. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to find a network admin browsing this weekend who'll be kind enough to give us a layman's overview.

    In this case, I've rechecked both PCs, and I'll be damned if I can see what's different in the permissions or share setting. It must be on the double-secret third level wizard advanced tab or something.
    Last edited by 6forty; 17 Feb 2013 at 13:44. Reason: typo'd znod
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint View Post
    I've had this happen to me also. I would like to know the answer. ( Can't copy to C: drive or edit and save file on C: drive." you don't have permission") I am the Administrator. (It is my computer.)
    That's interesting, even on the weird PC I'm able to copy to the C:\ root (through a UAC prompt, of course), just not edit/save. Still hoping someone may share an answer, I haven't been able to figure this out via Google to this point.

    I understand the reason Windows wants us to avoid using the root directly, what brought me here was the inconsistent behavior, with all-but-identical setups, and one system doesn't even raise an eyebrow while the other one is on lockdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6forty View Post
    Thanks for the attempt, znod, much obliged.

    I know what you mean--when it comes to this stuff, I don't want to adjust a setting that's going to have a ripple effect and I'm going to find something else broken weeks or months from now as a result. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to find a network admin browsing this weekend who'll be kind enough to give us a layman's overview.

    In this case, I've rechecked both PCs, and I'll be damned if I can see what's different in the permissions or share setting. It must be on the double-secret third level wizard advanced tab or something.
    You are very welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6forty View Post
    Thanks for the attempt, znod, much obliged.

    I know what you mean--when it comes to this stuff, I don't want to adjust a setting that's going to have a ripple effect and I'm going to find something else broken weeks or months from now as a result. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to find a network admin browsing this weekend who'll be kind enough to give us a layman's overview.

    In this case, I've rechecked both PCs, and I'll be damned if I can see what's different in the permissions or share setting. It must be on the double-secret third level wizard advanced tab or something.
    Well, you could aways think about this thread, Trying to Get Password Protected Sharing to Work Properly, while you are waiting. And, note that chev65 is very good at this stuff. I located this thread finally, and note that there is a chev65-linked tutorial. Of couse, the thread only deals primarily with sharing--not with everything you always wanted to know about the combo permissions/sharing/ownership/security.
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    Posts : 511
    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit


    I found this. I haven't tried it yet so I don't know if it works. But it sounds good though.

    You don’t Have Permission ToSave In This Location | Fix Error Message

    When downloading and installing a file you may get a error message “C:\Program Files…\…..exe. You don’t have permission to save in this location. Contact the administrator to obtain permission.
    Would you like to save in the “some….” folder instead? “ Even trying to install them in different directories wont have good result as it may get back to the same error message. How to install the file orprogram?
    Solution, the problem is, you may have an Administrator Account.. but your administrator account maynot have a password. Administrator appears beneath your user name. And you might have skipped creating a password as you may be the only user.
    You should always assign a password to all Administrator accounts, even though you are the only user.This helps when a malicious file tries to gain access to the system and is also necessary for all of the built-in security components to work properly.
    The easiest solution is to download the file to the Desktop. Right click the file and select the Run AsAdministrator option to install.
    But, Downloaded files saved to ‘Desktop’ are messy/unsightly/cumbersome. But the best practice to use the ‘Downloads’ folder which is located within the user account folder, and for which an entry is present on the Start Menu. This is the system ‘default’ save location for downloads.
    Remember, in Windows 7, all Administrator accounts operateas normal user accounts unless you explicitly ‘elevate’a function by using the run as administrator option or approve the UAC prompt when it pops up.
    If downloads have been stored elsewhere on the system already the user may not be currently getting prompted to store files in the default ‘Downloads’ folder. This is easy to correct. When the next download is conducted, when prompted for a save location browse to:
    System drive -> Usersfolder -> User account folder -> Downloads.
    Afterwards, the system will prompt with the correct download folder, for subsequent downloads.
    Solution:
    · 1. Right-click onthe drive that is causing the problem.
    · 2. Left-click on Properties.
    · 3. Click on the Security tab.
    · 4. In the first window click on Administrators (your computer name-PC Administrators).
    · 5. Just below the window click on Edit.
    · 6. Click on Administrators (your computer name-PC Administrators) again.
    · 7. Here’s the key to making it work. If Apply is grayed-out, check a box in the Deny column. It will then bring up Apply.
    · 8. Check a box in the Allow column. It should check all of the boxes except the last one and uncheck all of the boxes in the Deny column.
    · 9. Click Apply. It should run a scan of the files in the drive. When the scan is finished, clickOk. The first box should still be open.
    · 10. In the first window,click on Users (your computer name-PC\Users) and repeat steps 5-9, of course clicking on Users (your computer name-PC\Users) instead of Administrators (yourcomputer name-PC Administrators).
    You may not have to click in the Deny column after the first scan is completed for step 10 asindicated in step 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint View Post
    I found this. I haven't tried it yet so I don't know if it works. But it sounds good though.
    Thanks, Clint. In my case, all logins have passwords--I set them up with Microsoft accounts, so the no-password possibility described doesn't apply, unfortunately.

    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    Well, you could aways think about this thread, Trying to Get Password Protected Sharing to Work Properly, while you are waiting. And, note that chev65 is very good at this stuff. I located this thread finally, and note that there is a chev65-linked tutorial. Of couse, the thread only deals primarily with sharing--not with everything you always wanted to know about the combo permissions/sharing/ownership/security.
    Thanks, will check that out!
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    Windows 8 Pro


    Just a followup to close this one out.

    I wasn't able to find any solution to the unusual permission behavior on the one computer. After checking out two other Win8 installs, comparing settings, and not finding any answers, I can only assume I encountered some kind of bug and did a refresh to fix it. I'm posting a followup question in a new thread regarding user folder permissions. Thanks to those that took the time to reply here!

    And thanks for the link, znod, I'll soon delve into setting up the network sharing and homegroups stuff for the first time, and that helps.
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