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Interesting analysis of the Windows 8 store

  1. #31


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    "I never had an Android app crash - but there may be some that do. I think the point is that the Windows 8 store is lousy. But I am sure they will fix it. Android was chaotic a couple of years ago too. I used to say:" It's held together with band aids and rubber bands". But they are fixing it up and so will MS."

    I've been on Android since 2.0, both of my Android Phones have been reasonably stable, although the last one crashed a bit until the Jellybean update. My Android tablet reasonably stable except a few apps which crashed a bit.

    Once my contract runs out on the phone, I'll be giving a Windows Phone a shot and before that, I'll try one of the Surface tablets.

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  2. #32


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    If people want all these "Craplets" on their phone's so be it -- but if you are that sort of person that has 30 different music players or so do you really use ANY of them to LISTEN to the music or are you just idly switching around on all of them.

    Things like Trip advisor type apps are also largely unreliable -- businesses often logon to these with fake ID's to rubbish the competition.

    In any case I just don't see how these stores can make any serious money -- very few people I know actually "Buy" apps -- they will certainly try the "Freebies".
    The prices anyway on these apps are usually just a few Euros each and the download volumes are likely to be in the 100's if you are lucky -- you might get a few that have downloads in the 1000's but very few.

    Now with these very small volumes and tiny payments I shudder to think of the expense of running the Financial side of the store --

    You've got to provide servers for download, then have an Accounts payable and an Accounts receivable system working with these ridiculously small volumes, have people on hand to deal with complaints etc, possibly start to build in a brand new QC dept so that these apps can be tested and passed as fit for purpose before they make it to the store etc etc.

    Unlike Apple, millions and millions of programs can be installed on Windows systems without anybody going NEAR a "Store". -- How is Ms going to control that.

    Ms needs a different business model for Windows. -- Can you imagine Adobe being forced to sell its entire CS (Photoshop, Illustrator etc etc) line under Ms control -- I rather think not.

    If Ms also makes the store mandatory it won't be long before you will have to have an account (probably Free).

    I know enough people around who even if they can get products at NO COST always refuse when registration is required -- even FREE registration. There's plenty of evidence that people do not like being REQUIRED to register for so called "Freebies".

    The "Store" concept worked in the case of Apple due to the closed nature of their business and having iTunes working probably helped that anyway - but this model isn't suitable for all companies.

    Google's Play store is also a bit of a joke -- but Google has so much money it really doesn't seem to care what rubbish gets into its store and QC is 100% non existent.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #33


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    I must be one of a kind then Jimbo, I think the Online Stores are a great idea and have spent hundreds of dollars on Apps, Music and Movies and will be happy to spend hundreds more in the future.

    I'm not saying I necessarily have 30 music players or photo apps but there are certainly many, many good apps in those categories. Travel Apps have saved me a lot of time and money, especially Expedia and Hotels.com. One App, Flights Plus, saved me from missing a flight to America. The flight data and the data I was given by the airline didnt match up so I rang the airline. I told them that their flight data didnt match up with my app, they virtually laughed in my face and told me that Apps aren't reliable. Turns out they were wrong and my App was right, they apologised.

    Once you get used to buying off the store, it makes a lot more since than buying a disk or going out onto the Web. What developers have to get used to is giving a trial without registration that makes people a lot more comfortable. Just as Google and Apple have made money out of their stores I don't see any reason why MS can't, actually I can see them making more.
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  4. #34


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    certainly within my "24" apps there are some good free one's especially for travel -- but watching movies on a Phone !!! please.
    Music --so long as it plays FLAC and by folders rather than cue lists or playlists that's good enough for a music app for me
    However generally when I'm booking travel I'm usually logged on to a "Conventional computer" so I don't actually need these "apps" per se --comparison sites are usually good enough and these can be easily visited using conventional browsers - no special app needed.

    If I'm in London or Manchester (UK) OK Bus times or nearest bus stops might be OK --you could extrapolate that to any particular city you happen to be in - but these would tend to have limited use after your visit - and probably would be out of date by your next trip.

    If you've spent 100's of dollars on these types of apps -- don't you think your money would actually have been better spent by buying a the Surface Pro or another phone or another computer. (Or Horror of horrors -- even an iPad).

    I'm certainly not and never likely to be "Appy Mad".

    One of the most stupid one's I saw recently was a "Photoshop Clone" Who in their right mind would even THINK of trying out Photoshop (any form of it) using a 3.5 inch mobile phone screen.

    Perhaps we ought to have a thread on the top 100 "Most Rediculous or Pointless applications ever.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #35


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    certainly within my "24" apps there are some good free one's especially for travel -- but watching movies on a Phone !!! please.
    Music --so long as it plays FLAC and by folders rather than cue lists or playlists that's good enough for a music app for me
    However generally when I'm booking travel I'm usually logged on to a "Conventional computer" so I don't actually need these "apps" per se --comparison sites are usually good enough and these can be easily visited using conventional browsers - no special app needed.

    If I'm in London or Manchester (UK) OK Bus times or nearest bus stops might be OK --you could extrapolate that to any particular city you happen to be in - but these would tend to have limited use after your visit - and probably would be out of date by your next trip.

    If you've spent 100's of dollars on these types of apps -- don't you think your money would actually have been better spent by buying a the Surface Pro or another phone or another computer. (Or Horror of horrors -- even an iPad).

    I'm certainly not and never likely to be "Appy Mad".

    One of the most stupid one's I saw recently was a "Photoshop Clone" Who in their right mind would even THINK of trying out Photoshop (any form of it) using a 3.5 inch mobile phone screen.

    Perhaps we ought to have a thread on the top 100 "Most Rediculous or Pointless applications ever.

    Cheers
    jimbo

    Amen...... You've said it all!

    I only bought 1 app in the app store. My favourite radiostation, Classic FM NL, doesn't have an app yet. So I bought myself a webradio app that supports this radio station. Cost me €3, but considering the fact that I use this app 2 hours a day makes it worthwhile for me. Besides that app I haven't downloaded any app from the store. Don't use any.
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  6. #36


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    Jimbo said: I know enough people around who even if they can get products at NO COST always refuse when registration is required -- even FREE registration. There's plenty of evidence that people do not like being REQUIRED to register for so called "Freebies".
    I subscribe to "How-to Geek" and of late, they've offered quite a few freebies; mostly one generation back from current. Since I usually run one generation behind on hardware and software for financial reasons, I don't have a problem with that. However, I am very picky when I decide to download the freebie:

    Will I actually use it? And if I will, am I prepared to to be bombarded (on almost a 100% level) with offers to upgrade to the current version for only $9.95, $19.95 and up to $99 and $199.

    So, if I do download the program, I quickly test it to see if it's something I will use and possibly want to upgrade. If I discard the program, I unsubscribe and answer any questions with "It wasn't what I needed." Usually that gets rid of the ads.

    Oh, and I'm going to wait quite a long while before going back to the Microsoft Store. It's just too confusing and there's not very much that piques my interest.
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  7. #37


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    So, if I do download the program, I quickly test it to see if it's something I will use and possibly want to upgrade. If I discard the program, I unsubscribe and answer any questions with "It wasn't what I needed." Usually that gets rid of the ads.
    I suggest you do that in a virtual machine for at least 2 reasons:

    1. it cannot screw up your main system
    2. you don't 'collect' .dlls that come with every program and stay when you uninstall. That makes your winsxs grow unneccesarily.
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  8. #38


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    certainly within my "24" apps there are some good free one's especially for travel -- but watching movies on a Phone !!! please.
    Music --so long as it plays FLAC and by folders rather than cue lists or playlists that's good enough for a music app for me
    However generally when I'm booking travel I'm usually logged on to a "Conventional computer" so I don't actually need these "apps" per se --comparison sites are usually good enough and these can be easily visited using conventional browsers - no special app needed.

    If I'm in London or Manchester (UK) OK Bus times or nearest bus stops might be OK --you could extrapolate that to any particular city you happen to be in - but these would tend to have limited use after your visit - and probably would be out of date by your next trip.

    If you've spent 100's of dollars on these types of apps -- don't you think your money would actually have been better spent by buying a the Surface Pro or another phone or another computer. (Or Horror of horrors -- even an iPad).

    I'm certainly not and never likely to be "Appy Mad".

    One of the most stupid one's I saw recently was a "Photoshop Clone" Who in their right mind would even THINK of trying out Photoshop (any form of it) using a 3.5 inch mobile phone screen.

    Perhaps we ought to have a thread on the top 100 "Most Rediculous or Pointless applications ever.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Jimbo, I don't know why you think I watch movies on my phone, I don't, I don't even watch them on my various tablets. Everything I own is networked through routers and two NAS, they end up on my HTPCs connected to large screen TVs.

    When I first started buying programmes for a C64 and Amiga they averaged between $2 and $6, now buying from the stores we're back to those prices, what's not to like.

    I'd better not tell you how many tablets I've got, but I don't need anymore at the moment. However I'm very attracted to the Surface models because all my PCs are running Windows 8, it's only a matter of time. I'm like the Paris Hilton of the Tech world, have you ever seen the movie Confessions of a Shopaholic.
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  9. #39


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    So, if I do download the program, I quickly test it to see if it's something I will use and possibly want to upgrade. If I discard the program, I unsubscribe and answer any questions with "It wasn't what I needed." Usually that gets rid of the ads.
    I suggest you do that in a virtual machine for at least 2 reasons:

    1. it cannot screw up your main system
    2. you don't 'collect' .dlls that come with every program and stay when you uninstall. That makes your winsxs grow unneccesarily.
    I've never had an App screw up my machine and as far as I'm aware there are no left over .dll's.
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  10. #40


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    spending money on Movies or Music is not a problem -- but these rarely need "The App store" for buying these.
    But spending 100's of dollars on the usual sort of "craplets" the Ms App store and others like the Google play store --even the name makes it feel like something out of a Kindergarten-- seems to me a bit of a waste of money -- each to their own I suppose.

    @ Der Snoober -- I think you can get Classic FM NL via Tunein (a Free app which works on Phones as well as tablets and computers).

    I can get this also via SQUEEZEPLAY and SQUEEZESERVER both free applications. Literally 1000's of classical music (and every possible type of radio you could possibly want --all 100% FREE).

    The advantage of using something like squeezeserver (basically a MySQL application) is that you can stream this music all round your house to any device that's capable of receiving streamed audio -- works absolutely first class -- this app can also stream your own music too and unlike a lot of audio streamers plays FLAC. as well as the usual mp3 etc codecs.

    screenshot enc

    Another good one - KDFC San Francisco

    Cheers
    jimbo
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