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Interesting analysis of the Windows 8 store

  1. #21


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    This is expected to happen. The VERY EXACT same thing happened when apple's ios store was introduced back in like, late 2008. SO many crapapps, so many redundant apps of things that were already in the OS itself and worked fine and weren't beneficial to use. It took several months before it got useful, a year later or so brought some big hitters to ios. Maturation was needed, and it happened and now ios has EVERY top app that android users would want and Windows Phone users want and demand as well as maybe some Windows tablet users.

    I think the same thing happened with android, except many apps were pretty much ported over to android, others were on android that were used on jailbroked iDevices that apple didn't approve.

    Windows Phone development interestingly enough, compared to initial starts of the other two, is the second fastest after ios. There are some REAL nicely done apps on it like MetroTube, USA Today, The Weather Channel (on Nokia Lumia phones) MyStocks, Skype, Newegg, and others. Some of those developers brought their apps over to Windows 8, but the Windows apps are just paled in comparison to the Windows Phone counterpart. It's not there yet in terms of design and functionality. It seems since Windows 8 brings the tablet form factor front and center, they must be thinking development works similar to ios and android almost.

    It will take 6 to 12 months for the Windows Store to mature. It needs developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers! App stores aren't overnight wonders, just look at the mac app store, there have been more downloads on Windows Store in the four months it's been out than mac os's store. There are also Desktop app listings as well to bring more options available.

    Also, the article is a tad skewed as by default, apps are shown by being noteworthy, not top paid. Noteworthy apps are the ones to be concerned about, for example under Entertainment, there are some pretty nice apps that I have installed and use daily, and some I've used on a touch screen as well.

    But the Store UI REALLY needs better metroizing. That's too modern and bare versus a rich lush metro design that Windows Phone Store has.

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  2. #22


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    One aspect stated in the review is right on the money and that's poorly implemented apps. Whether that's Microsoft's fault or not, is a moot point, apps that don't work send a very negative message across the board.

    For example:

    - I was looking for a local news app (web based paper news), but there are none, not one. Is it due to lack of interest?

    - I downloaded a TV app from one of our free-to-air providers (SBS for our Australian viewers). After installing, I tried to view several of the listed programs and not one would display, all I got was what looked like a flatline signal on an ECG machine. Didn't the developers bother to check whether it would work, or did they simply leave something out?

    - I also downloaded another TV app from one of our commercial stations, free-to-air again, (Channel 10) and wanted to watch one of their cooking shows. All I got was a very coarse still image with a message that the program was loading. Nothing ever happened. Again, did no one check the app?

    I found similar things with other apps, they either didn't work, did not provide what they professed to provide or were so simplistic or limited in content that it was like downloading a brochure.

    In what seems to be a rush to populate the app store and make it sound grand, any and all pieces of crap are allowed to be hosted, with no one doing any due diligence on the quality and functionality of the apps. This is part the responsibility of the app developers, but also Microsoft's, by having no quality control process in place whatsoever.

    I don't know about IP violations, but if true, it's utterly stupid of Microsoft to allow such. Also, hasn't Microsoft had years to study the Apple and Android apps stores, to garner some idea as to how to make an effective and efficient app store?

    Some may suggest that Microsoft is just starting, so give them some slack; however, Microsoft is not inventing the concept of an app store.
    Why do you make comments on things you know nothing about, you don't know anything about Android or IOS, these two platforms have loads and loads of Apps that crash. Safari crashed 5 everyday on my brand new iPad, it took about 6 months of updates to stop that. Other apps also crash quite regularly

    Last night my iPad just decided to crash for no reason at all, I've had both Channel 10 and SBS for ages, both work fine. Android apps crash quite frequently.

    Instead of harping on about MS 24hrs per day, send them an email and tell them you want a job, show them how it's done Ray
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    One aspect stated in the review is right on the money and that's poorly implemented apps. Whether that's Microsoft's fault or not, is a moot point, apps that don't work send a very negative message across the board.

    For example:

    - I was looking for a local news app (web based paper news), but there are none, not one. Is it due to lack of interest?

    - I downloaded a TV app from one of our free-to-air providers (SBS for our Australian viewers). After installing, I tried to view several of the listed programs and not one would display, all I got was what looked like a flatline signal on an ECG machine. Didn't the developers bother to check whether it would work, or did they simply leave something out?

    - I also downloaded another TV app from one of our commercial stations, free-to-air again, (Channel 10) and wanted to watch one of their cooking shows. All I got was a very coarse still image with a message that the program was loading. Nothing ever happened. Again, did no one check the app?

    I found similar things with other apps, they either didn't work, did not provide what they professed to provide or were so simplistic or limited in content that it was like downloading a brochure.

    In what seems to be a rush to populate the app store and make it sound grand, any and all pieces of crap are allowed to be hosted, with no one doing any due diligence on the quality and functionality of the apps. This is part the responsibility of the app developers, but also Microsoft's, by having no quality control process in place whatsoever.

    I don't know about IP violations, but if true, it's utterly stupid of Microsoft to allow such. Also, hasn't Microsoft had years to study the Apple and Android apps stores, to garner some idea as to how to make an effective and efficient app store?

    Some may suggest that Microsoft is just starting, so give them some slack; however, Microsoft is not inventing the concept of an app store.
    Why do you make comments on things you know nothing about, you don't know anything about Android or IOS, these two platforms have loads and loads of Apps that crash. Safari crashed 5 everyday on my brand new iPad, it took about 6 months of updates to stop that. Other apps also crash quite regularly

    Last night my iPad just decided to crash for no reason at all, I've had both Channel 10 and SBS for ages, both work fine. Android apps crash quite frequently.

    Instead of harping on about MS 24hrs per day, send them an email and tell them you want a job, show them how it's done Ray
    Bill

    In my post, I made no mention of the efficacy or otherwise of Android/Apple apps, but simply said that the Windows apps that I tried were a complete bust, which gives credence to what was said in the review. I did say that given the years of Android/Apple app market experience, surely Microsoft could have learned a few things or two.

    You are now showing that you're not simply a regular guy that's infatuated with Windows 8 and all things Microsoft, but clearly either an employee or paid advocate of Microsoft, or just a way out there Microsoft fanboy. You also seem to reveal a lie to other aspects of your age and life, with the nature of your posts and the details therein. There is no consistency whatsoever to your story.

    Rather than a mature and experienced individual, you come across as a relatively inexperienced, yet keen as mustard, individual trying to make a point in the world.
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  4. #24


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    I'm not trying to make any point Ray, I'll leave that up to you. As far as experience goes, try this for the apps that don't work. Try changing the resolution, that sometimes helps with Metro Apps. If that doesn't work, roll back your drivers in Device Manager that also sometimes works.

    If you're just using the drivers that came with Windows 8 try using drivers from Windows 7 for your video card, only try this at home if you're a true professional.

    As far as the Store goes I'll shoot off an email to my brother BillGates and tell him to get onto Steve to rectify the situation as quickly as possible.
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  5. #25


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    Bill

    Stop digging, the hole is ready to collapse! We all understand your passion, but it's time to step back and take a breather. What's worse is that you're patronising people, which isn't a good look in anyone's language.

    I think everyone recognises that you've tried really hard to make a positive impression (you have achieved that), but you're now venturing into a field of landmines that I'm not sure that you're prepared to navigate. Review your remit, how far should you really go?
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  6. #26


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    Quote Originally Posted by medab1 View Post
    Through personal experience I have learned that in a lot of companies there is a Right Way, a Wrong way, & Their way.

    "Their way" usually prevails.
    Hi there
    as a Consumer this I've found THIS always works for me

    "Their Way", "The Wrong Way" and "My Way".

    Guess which always works -- "My Way" -- and this is important because it's the "My Way" that will decide whether to buy or not.!!!

    Most of these so called "apps" from those hideous "app stores" -- why can't people move away from textese and call these things by their proper name --applications -- are usually nothing but pointless junk. A very few are OK but who really needs 97 different ways of working out the moons phases in a remote part of tierra del fuego at the southern tip of Argentina, frequency of volcanic eruptions on one of Jupiter's moon's - IO - or what day of the week your late grandmothers cat had its kittens on.

    You could probably condense the entire gamut of most of these so called "apps" into about 24 useful one's. The rest are either nothing more than advertising platforms to "Go Pro" i.e pay or total and utter pointless rubbish -- and as far as the android store is concerned you can never guarantee any will work when the next version of android comes out -- and as for security on these phones --just forget it --it's a total joke.

    Google maps, some sort of GPS and a very few other apps are fine -- I can easily condense this down to less than 24 - even including spider solitaire if you want to play this on a smart phone - but a store with literally 100,000's of these wretched things in it --forget it.

    I also don't need a phone to tell me where to go for dinner -- if you need to use your phone for that sort of information it shows you can't be a very sophisticated or choosy diner. !!! I'd rather get my info from REAL people that I personally know.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #27


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    "I also don't need a phone to tell me where to go for dinner -- if you need to use your phone for that sort of information it shows you can't be a very sophisticated or choosy diner. !!! I'd rather get my info from REAL people that I personally know. "

    Sorry Jimbo but I don't agree on this one, while I would be the first to say that there are a lot of rubbish apps out there, there are more than 24 good ones.

    When you're travelling thousands of kilometres from home, some of these apps come in very handy, no friends when you're in outback Australia. Also different people have different ideas about what they think is good. Actually I could probably come up with 24 good ones for music, video and photos, but then you might not be interested in any of these things.

    Lets say there are 400,000 apps and 1% could be considered reasonable to good, that would be 4,000 reasonable apps. I don't believe that number but I would say that there would have to be around 1000 or more that would suit different needs for different people.
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  8. #28


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Like I said yesterday, the Internet is full of Microsoft haters, they love the fact that Apple has $130 billion in offshore accounts, but when MS tries to make a few bucks, they're nothing but a bunch of thieves.

    They say MS should give away the type cover for free, yet they don't mind that Apple charges over $70 for a ridiculous cover that does nothing, or charges $50 for a bit of cable.
    It's fine to be a Microsoft fan BillWindows. But we cannot sit and whine about what Apple does and can get away with. Apple fans are different people. They buy into the system, they believe in the system and they believe that it's worth it.



    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    You need to get out into the World Wild Web a bit more WHS, there's a huge interest in Apple by the millions of Apple Fanboys and Lemmings.
    Buy my question is why you are so concerned with the Apple fans? Are you upset because Apple has proven successful in the marketspace and loved by their fans? Are you irritated that long time Windows fans are being peruaded by Apple fans to try a Mac? To me, I understand the power of Apple, but it's irrelevant to me personally because I don't own and use any of their products. They aren't appealing to me. Everytime I consider one of their products, I choose something else based on features, freedom and price.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    You know I'm sure a lot of people said the same thing about a horse and buggy that you're saying about Windows 7, all those years ago, but the world has to move on regardless of what we think.
    Yes, change has to happen. Nobody is arguing that. The fans of Windows 7 aren't sitting around going, gosh I really wish they would have stayed put on XP...that was the best!. But just because something changes, doesn't mean it has changed for the better. Change for the sake of change isn't necessarily progress.

    It seems you view all of us who aren't enamored with Windows 8 as Windows haters. For me personally, this isn't true. I don't hate Windows and I don't have Microsoft. But i am DISAPPOINTED in Windows 8. I truly wanted it to be better, I wanted it to wow the world, I wanted it to be the next Windows 7 that was just awesome. But my everyday usage doesn't give me that warm fuzzy feeling. It just isn't there.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Look don't listen to the naysayers here, Windows 8 is an excellent OS and easy to learn, don't worry about closing down Apps, if you want to get out of an app just go down to the bottom left corner and left click, if you want to go back to the game just move your mouse to the left side of the screen and you'll see it's still there ready to unpause.
    Windows 8 has proven just fine to me from a performance and stability perspective. And I agree, while not intuitive, it's easy to learn. If that is your main concern with an operating system and Windows in general, than it's fine. But if you are like me and you feel frustrated, and annoyed while using it continually, and pissed off with the sheer number of things that you cannot change to make it work like you want or are so accustomed to, perhaps you might not sing it's praises.
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    One aspect stated in the review is right on the money and that's poorly implemented apps. Whether that's Microsoft's fault or not, is a moot point, apps that don't work send a very negative message across the board.

    For example:

    - I was looking for a local news app (web based paper news), but there are none, not one. Is it due to lack of interest?

    - I downloaded a TV app from one of our free-to-air providers (SBS for our Australian viewers). After installing, I tried to view several of the listed programs and not one would display, all I got was what looked like a flatline signal on an ECG machine. Didn't the developers bother to check whether it would work, or did they simply leave something out?

    - I also downloaded another TV app from one of our commercial stations, free-to-air again, (Channel 10) and wanted to watch one of their cooking shows. All I got was a very coarse still image with a message that the program was loading. Nothing ever happened. Again, did no one check the app?

    I found similar things with other apps, they either didn't work, did not provide what they professed to provide or were so simplistic or limited in content that it was like downloading a brochure.

    In what seems to be a rush to populate the app store and make it sound grand, any and all pieces of crap are allowed to be hosted, with no one doing any due diligence on the quality and functionality of the apps. This is part the responsibility of the app developers, but also Microsoft's, by having no quality control process in place whatsoever.

    I don't know about IP violations, but if true, it's utterly stupid of Microsoft to allow such. Also, hasn't Microsoft had years to study the Apple and Android apps stores, to garner some idea as to how to make an effective and efficient app store?

    Some may suggest that Microsoft is just starting, so give them some slack; however, Microsoft is not inventing the concept of an app store.
    Why do you make comments on things you know nothing about, you don't know anything about Android or IOS, these two platforms have loads and loads of Apps that crash. Safari crashed 5 everyday on my brand new iPad, it took about 6 months of updates to stop that. Other apps also crash quite regularly

    Last night my iPad just decided to crash for no reason at all, I've had both Channel 10 and SBS for ages, both work fine. Android apps crash quite frequently.

    Instead of harping on about MS 24hrs per day, send them an email and tell them you want a job, show them how it's done Ray
    I never had an Android app crash - but there may be some that do. I think the point is that the Windows 8 store is lousy. But I am sure they will fix it. Android was chaotic a couple of years ago too. I used to say:" It's held together with band aids and rubber bands". But they are fixing it up and so will MS.
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  10. #30


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    Look don't listen to the naysayers here, Windows 8 is an excellent OS and easy to learn, don't worry about closing down Apps, if you want to get out of an app just go down to the bottom left corner and left click, if you want to go back to the game just move your mouse to the left side of the screen and you'll see it's still there ready to unpause.

    The main thing with Windows 8 are the two hotspots on the two bottom corners and right clicking, it's actually easier than the other Windows, and you can still pin stuff to the launch bar.
    Well, actually, I'm not listening to anyone about whether Windows 8 is good or not. I'm making my own decisions there. What I am listening to are the suggestions, hints, tips, etc. that allow me to learn what I need to know to make a fair judgment for the way I work.

    So far, it's Windows 8 Forty-'leven, Wynona 3!
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