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Here's what I think would fix Windows 8:

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    Wrend, now that you have written that the Microsoft team will redesign Windows 8 the way you wrote. LOL. I mean they did it that way because they decided to do it that way. They wanted the mobile phone design on your computer...
    Yeah, I hear you. Not likely to happen, but I (and probably many other people) might actually want to get Windows 8 if the "mobile" display features where more integrated into a more standard Windows desktop GUI. Even if my "monitor" was a touch screen, it would generally be very impractical to use it that way.

    Maybe they're trying to get people to remote desktop in from tablets or something? (I've thought about doing this on my Nexus 7.)

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  2. #12


    I have two problems with this thread ...

    First, in order to discuss what is needed to "fix" Win8, you have to first agree that Win8 is "broken" -- and those folks here, and other places, that LOVE Win8 will never admit that it is broken. So, having this whole discussion is essentially a waste of time.

    Second, if is very UNLIKELY, that after investing all this time and money in Win8, MS is going to make ANY changes to how Win/RT works and/or how the Windows 8 Store Apps work. Again, discussing such changes is essentially a waste of time.

    If we REALLY want to have a discussion, it could be about what Windows 9 ("Blue"?) MIGHT work -- but given that is years off, and the MS made major changes during the evolution of Win8 from first "beta" into "final" form, what is the point of having such discussions this early?
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  3. #13


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    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post
    I have two problems with this thread ...

    If we REALLY want to have a discussion, it could be about what Windows 9 ("Blue"?) MIGHT work -- but given that is years off, and the MS made major changes during the evolution of Win8 from first "beta" into "final" form, what is the point of having such discussions this early?
    Maybe...

    At Microsoft, in a deep dark chamber, there are minions reading THIS thread & similar ones from all over the globe.

    Then they send suggested ideas to the Creator(s) who contemplate them and decide whether to implement them or not.

    Said Microsoft Operating Systems Creator or Creators work in mysterious ways...
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  4. #14


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    I had previously changed the title on the first post to "Here's what I think would have worked with Windows 8:" to be a little less confrontational and more along the lines of what I'm talking about, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to update the thread title.

    This is just my opinion. There's no need to defend this opinion, nor is there any need to argue with other people that like the new GUI style as it is based on our own preferences.

    But just the same, and whether any of us agree with them and their reasons or not, there are a lot of people out there that aren't too keen on Windows 8 (including me). To deny that is unrealistic, and I think it is something that should be publicly addressed in more specific terms, and hopefully eventually solved one way or another, even if that just means waiting for Windows 9.

    Granted, this thread probably isn't going to accomplish much of anything other than to give us a place to discuss these preferences and ideas. Hopefully we can continue to do so in a civil way.
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  5. #15


    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post
    I have two problems with this thread ...

    First, in order to discuss what is needed to "fix" Win8, you have to first agree that Win8 is "broken" -- and those folks here, and other places, that LOVE Win8 will never admit that it is broken. So, having this whole discussion is essentially a waste of time.

    Second, if is very UNLIKELY, that after investing all this time and money in Win8, MS is going to make ANY changes to how Win/RT works and/or how the Windows 8 Store Apps work. Again, discussing such changes is essentially a waste of time.

    If we REALLY want to have a discussion, it could be about what Windows 9 ("Blue"?) MIGHT work -- but given that is years off, and the MS made major changes during the evolution of Win8 from first "beta" into "final" form, what is the point of having such discussions this early?
    From what I've read, Blue Widows 9 may be released as early as 3rd or 4th . Not so many yrs off.
    Since I have no problems with start button or navigating 8 the only thing I can think of to fix it is moving that clock from lock screen to logon screen. In the meantime, I refuse to lose sleep over it.
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  6. #16


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    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    Windows 8 should have a Windows Update to restore the ability to change 3D objects like scroll bar stuff & window BG colors, etc. like in XP.
    I don't like gray scroll bars.

    Also CSS is screwed up in win 8.
    I have a website that displays this CSS code perfectly in earlier versions of Windows -

    Code:
    <!-- START HERE TO COPY & PASTE THIS CSS CODE AFTER YOUR TITLE TAG TO MAKE THE SCROLLBAR CHANGE COLOR -->
    <STYLE type="text/css">
    BODY {
    SCROLLBAR-FACE-COLOR: #000000; SCROLLBAR-HIGHLIGHT-COLOR: #006400; SCROLLBAR-SHADOW-COLOR: #006400; SCROLLBAR-3DLIGHT-COLOR: #ff0000; SCROLLBAR-ARROW-COLOR: #ff0000; SCROLLBAR-TRACK-COLOR: #a0522d; SCROLLBAR-DARKSHADOW-COLOR: #000000
    }
    <!--
    A { text-decoration:none }
    -->
    </STYLE>
    <!--THE CSS SCROLLBAR COLOR CHANGER CODE STOPS HERE------>



    In Windows 8 this doesn't work.


    And the colors on my site do not display properly.

    I use CSS for link colors.

    Are you listening Microsoft ?
    Give us an Update or Service Pack, please !
    Thank you.

    Think of your Bottom Line.
    Happy customers are "spending money on your products" customers.
    People can choose Linux or something else if YOU upset them enough...

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  7. #17


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    If Windows 8 and Windows RT are completely different OSes, then:

    1. Why can't just Windows 8 be installed for those who do not want the RT experience?

    2. How is it that this is possible: Windows RT jailbreak tool unleashed online | Microsoft - CNET News?

    The tool takes advantage of a hack revealed earlier this week by someone identified only as clrokr. In a blog, clrokr explained how he was able to change a value in the Windows RT kernel to bypass certain restrictions put in place by Microsoft. Those restrictions determine what type of applications RT can run, such as Windows Store apps and desktop apps.
    3. Why are people saying this: Jailbroken Windows RT Devices Running Ported Windows Desktop Apps | Geeky Gadgets

    When Microsoft created their Windows RT operating system, they basically used the Windows 8 OS but cut it down to run on devices equipped with ARM-based chips instead of x86 processors, and will only run apps installed from the Windows Store, until now.
    Are our forum Microsoft representatives giving us the full story?
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  8. #18


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by medab1 View Post
    Windows 8 should have a Windows Update to restore the ability to change 3D objects like scroll bar stuff & window BG colors, etc. like in XP.
    I don't like gray scroll bars.

    Also CSS is screwed up in win 8.
    I have a website that displays this CSS code perfectly in earlier versions of Windows -

    Code:
    <!-- START HERE TO COPY & PASTE THIS CSS CODE AFTER YOUR TITLE TAG TO MAKE THE SCROLLBAR CHANGE COLOR -->
    <STYLE type="text/css">
    BODY {
    SCROLLBAR-FACE-COLOR: #000000; SCROLLBAR-HIGHLIGHT-COLOR: #006400; SCROLLBAR-SHADOW-COLOR: #006400; SCROLLBAR-3DLIGHT-COLOR: #ff0000; SCROLLBAR-ARROW-COLOR: #ff0000; SCROLLBAR-TRACK-COLOR: #a0522d; SCROLLBAR-DARKSHADOW-COLOR: #000000
    }
    <!--
    A { text-decoration:none }
    -->
    </STYLE>
    <!--THE CSS SCROLLBAR COLOR CHANGER CODE STOPS HERE------>



    In Windows 8 this doesn't work.


    And the colors on my site do not display properly.

    I use CSS for link colors.

    Are you listening Microsoft ?
    Give us an Update or Service Pack, please !
    Thank you.

    Think of your Bottom Line.
    Happy customers are "spending money on your products" customers.
    People can choose Linux or something else if YOU upset them enough...

    I really wanted to see the scroll bar out of all things to be changed in Windows 8 from 7. The idea was to have it with the Aero design, now the metareo design of the Desktop in 8, so one could have crimson red windows, crimson red Taskbar, and a crimson red scroll bar.
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  9. #19


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    If Windows 8 and Windows RT are completely different OSes, then:

    1. Why can't just Windows 8 be installed for those who do not want the RT experience?

    2. How is it that this is possible: Windows RT jailbreak tool unleashed online | Microsoft - CNET News?

    The tool takes advantage of a hack revealed earlier this week by someone identified only as clrokr. In a blog, clrokr explained how he was able to change a value in the Windows RT kernel to bypass certain restrictions put in place by Microsoft. Those restrictions determine what type of applications RT can run, such as Windows Store apps and desktop apps.
    3. Why are people saying this: Jailbroken Windows RT Devices Running Ported Windows Desktop Apps | Geeky Gadgets

    When Microsoft created their Windows RT operating system, they basically used the Windows 8 OS but cut it down to run on devices equipped with ARM-based chips instead of x86 processors, and will only run apps installed from the Windows Store, until now.
    Are our forum Microsoft representatives giving us the full story?
    I don't get it.

    Windows 8 can VERY EASILY not become a WinRT experience with five minutes of time.

    I'm going to guess the reason why no Desktop apps are allowed in Windows 8 RT is simply because of battery life concerns, and processing limitations. An ARM processor already gets kind of taxed when you open all the Office apps and multiple tabs in IE at one and switching around as it is, if you added something like a video converter on the Desktop or maybe if you're absurd, Photoshop, it'd be locked up. Also, Microsoft has said and signaled that they're leaving Desktop development behind, not because it's a marketing ploy or monetary ploy (at least not directly), it's because they feel that Windows will become further and further less relevant in the new computing and input environment that Windows 7 obviously didn't work out on; that being tablet and touch. A familiar interface doesn't work on a non-familiar device and a non-familiar input method that Windows hasn't really been on in the mainstream.

    Of course this needs work, it's not perfect and it can be much better. Take a look at Windows 95, it took about 15 years to fully mature into Windows 7, which is arguably the BEST version of Windows there has been. Hopefully, it doesn't take 15 years for Windows 8 to mature into a great version.
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  10. #20


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    The point about my post was not about what can and can't be done, but questioned the statement that 8 and RT are completely separate OSes.
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