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Relative Ease in Understanding How Windows 8 Works

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  • I like Win8. How it works relative to other Win OSís is very easy for me to understand.

    24 41.38%
  • I like Win8. How it works relative to other Win OSís is moderately easy for me to understand.

    15 25.86%
  • I like Win8. How it works relative to other Win OSís is not very easy for me to understand.

    3 5.17%
  • I donít like Win8. How it works relative to other Win OSís is very easy for me to understand.

    6 10.34%
  • I donít like Win8. How it works relative to other Win OSís is moderately easy for me to understand.

    6 10.34%
  • I donít like Win8. How it works relative to other Win OSís is not very easy for me to understand.

    4 6.90%
  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    I chose: I like Win8. How it works relative to other Win OSís is moderately easy for me to understand.
    Features I like are big clock &weather on lock screen.
    I use Brink's All apps & Start screen shortcuts pinned to taskbar in addition to windows key
    I like the no folders on All apps screen. It's more friendly for new users & long time users who were scared to open a folder because they didn't want to mess their computer up. After years of the start menu, they can find Paint without calling me.
    The only con I can think of so far is Search. Then again, maybe I haven't found the adjustments yet.
    Glad you replied. CU onboard.
    Last edited by znod; 14 Feb 2013 at 15:01.

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    You can still vote.

    I'm surprised more haven't voted yet. Based on the 26 responses to date

    1. The majority (20 to 6) likes Windows 8.
    2. The majority of those liking Windows 8 think how Windows 8 works relative to other Win OS's is very easy (9) or moderately easy (10) to understand (19 to 1).
    3. Only two (2 to 24) think how Windows 8 works relative to other Win OSís is not very easy to understand. One of these likes Win8, and one doesn't.
    4. The majority (5 to 1) of those that not liking Windows 8 think how Windows 8 works relative to other Windows 8 OS's is very easy to understand.

    These results lead me to the following tentative thoughts (but not conclusions):

    (a) Those on board here tend to like Win8. This "strength" of this outcome surprised me. From reading what's onboard, I expected that a greater proportion would have indicated they do not like Win8.

    (b) Those onboard here not liking Win8 do not think that's because they don't understand Win8. In this regard, we somewhat frequently see the opinion that those not liking Win8 don't understand it. I am not surprised at the "strength" of this outcome.

    Last edited by znod; 14 Feb 2013 at 15:01.
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    (b) Those on board here not liking Win8 do not think that's because they don't understand Win8. In this regard, we somewhat frequently see the opinion that those not liking Win8 don't understand it. I am not surprised at the "strength" of this outcome.
    Or, it could be a case of the Dunning-Kruger effect

    Dunning

    Often, people who don't know something think they know more than they really do, while those that know it quite a bit under-rate their skill (because they know just how much they don't know). We've all met people like this, particularly if we've spent any time doing help-desk or helping other people with problems with their computers. You know the type "I'm not stupid! I know how to use a computer" and then you're back at their house fixing their umpteenth virus infection.

    Most of the people that claim they hate Windows 8, and that they know how to use it, also admit they only use it occasionally in a VM or as a dual boot. That really does not give one the experience of really using it day in and day out.
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  4. #24


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    You make a very good point. Unfortunately, our survey "technology" doesn't allow much in the way of dealing with needed "advanced" survey techniques and unwanted effects. Still, I tried only to gather data on those thinking they have a reasonable basis for selecting a response knowing about the sort of effect you mention. But, yes, we can't guess how many replying with don't like Win8/how it works relative to other Win OSís is moderately or very easy for me to understand really have a reasonable basis, from the perspective of another let's say more sophisticated and more diligent user, for selecting that response. It's also true that we can't guess how many replying with like Win8/how it works relative to other Win OSís is moderately or very easy for me to understand really have a reasonable basis, from the perspective of another let's say more sophisticated and more diligent user, for selecting that response--for one reason or another.
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    You can still vote. Why not? Just see first paragraph of post #1.

    Summing up again with 31 votes in.

    1. The majority (22 to 9) likes Windows 8.
    2. The majority of those liking Windows 8 think how Windows 8 works relative to other Win OS's is very easy (10) or moderately easy (11) to understand (21 to 1).
    3. Only three (3 to 31) think how Windows 8 works relative to other Win OSís is not very easy to understand. One of these likes Win8, and two don't.
    4. The majority (7 to 2) of those that not liking Windows 8 think how Windows 8 works relative to other Windows 8 OS's is very easy (5) or moderately easy (2) to understand.

    These results still lead to the following tentative thoughts (but not conclusions):

    (a) Those onboard here tend to like Win8. This "strength" of this outcome surprised me. From reading what's onboard, I expected that a greater proportion would have indicated they do not like Win8.

    (b) Those onboard here not liking Win8 do not think that's because they don't understand Win8. In this regard, we somewhat frequently see the opinion that those not liking Win8 don't understand it. I am not surprised at the "strength" of this outcome.
    Last edited by znod; 14 Feb 2013 at 15:02.
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  6. #26


    Quote Originally Posted by wetibbe View Post
    Znod;


    I think that you are as smart as they come. Very astute and knowledgeable. Much appreciated.


    However, I simply do not understand this apparent obsession to canvass users of Win 8 ????????

    90% of Win 8 users are totally clueless and inappreciative. Essentially brain dead.

    Does that fit your model ?
    Where did you get the figure 90%?
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  7. #27

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    Hi Bummyfan:

    I take your query entirely legitimate and deserving of a cogent answer.

    I based my percentage figure on my observations of several forums, evaluated the questions and weighed the answers and responses to responses. Whereas I do not consider any of the posters or their questions as dumb, or inappropriate or pejorative, none-the-less it is patently obvious that MOST are conspicuously unfamiliar and that is of course completely natural since Win 8 has just been recently released. BUT - it is also obvious that many, if not most, are asking mundane, basic questions on the forum, that already have answers elsewhere. Certainly it has to be recognized that these Win 8 forums are very valuable and contributing a great civic service to fellow computer aficionados. I definitely support and endorse them wholeheartedly. These forums are problem specific and do not altogether provide total schooling and orientation notwithstanding the abundance of tutorials available.

    There are a percentage of respondents, moderators, administrators who can be understood as having a very high degree of expertise and also very impressive experience. I haven't as yet seen even one who gave a patently false reply. I don't know their disciplines, education, experiences, nor even their names. Some questions lamentably do fall into a category of being beyond the scope and experience of the average well informed poster/participant. These come under the purviews of IT Professionals *( Intelligence Technology Professionals ). I have seen several questing that stumped the average expert on these forums. I have a queue now of 5 such problems with a 6th in the works and a 7th developing. I even went on the Microsoft forum and got dissatisfaction. I'm now on the Microsoft IT Professional forum.

    Further, I have been studying Windows OEM and Windows 8 Pro and finding differences. I spend hours daily *( I'm retired ) studying all of the nooks and cranny's *( With expert professional information ) and I am not even as yet half way into understanding the VAST aspect of this OS. BTW I have gone through every Microsoft OS since 1983 ).

    Even after all of this I have to say that there is a basic lack of true data to base my 90% on. So as typical in these USA's we have a saying. It's a SWAG - a Scientific Wild XXX Guess.

    My subliminal motive is to encourage my fellow computer practitioners to broaden their horizons, stand up, pull up their knickers and stop taking the path of least resistance, It takes effort and practice, practice, practice and enthusiasm as well as determination.
    Last edited by wetibbe; 07 Feb 2013 at 07:05.
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  8. #28


    Quote Originally Posted by wetibbe View Post
    Hi Bummyfan:

    I take your query entirely legitimate and deserving of a cogent answer.

    I based my percentage figure on my observations of several forums, evaluated the questions and weighed the answers and responses to responses. Whereas I do not consider any of the posters or their questions as dumb, or inappropriate or pejorative, none-the-less it is patently obvious that MOST are conspicuously unfamiliar and that is of course completely natural since Win 8 has just been recently released. BUT - it is also obvious that many, if not most, are asking mundane, basic questions on the forum, that already have answers elsewhere. Certainly it has to be recognized that these Win 8 forums are very valuable and contributing a great civic service to fellow computer aficionados. I definitely support and endorse them wholeheartedly. These forums are problem specific and do not altogether provide total schooling and orientation notwithstanding the abundance of tutorials available.

    There are a percentage of respondents, moderators, administrators who can be understood as having a very high degree of expertise and also very impressive experience. I haven't as yet seen even one who gave a patently false reply. I don't know their disciplines, education, experiences, nor even their names. Some questions lamentably do fall into a category of being beyond the scope and experience of the average well informed poster/participant. These come under the purviews of IT Professionals *( Intelligence Technology Professionals ). I have seen several questing that stumped the average expert on these forums. I have a queue now of 5 such problems with a 6th in the works and a 7th developing. I even went on the Microsoft forum and got dissatisfaction. I'm now on the Microsoft IT Professional forum.

    Further, I have been studying Windows OEM and Windows 8 Pro and finding differences. I spend hours daily *( I'm retired ) studying all of the nooks and cranny's *( With expert professional information ) and I am not even as yet half way into understanding the VAST aspect of this OS. BTW I have gone through every Microsoft OS since 1983 ).

    Even after all of this I have to say that there is a basic lack of true data to base my 90% on. So as typical in these USA's we have a saying. It's a SWAG - a Scientific Wild Ass Guess.

    My subliminal motive is to encourage my fellow computer practitioners to broaden their horizons, stand up, pull up their knickers and stop taking the path of least resistance, It takes effort and practice, practice, practice and enthusiasm as well as determination.
    Thanks for the detailed explanation.
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by wetibbe View Post
    Hi Bummyfan:
    I take your query entirely legitimate and deserving of a cogent answer.
    Interesting to know. Wondered too. Thanks. You could do a poll:

    If you are a Win8 user, then are you totally clueless and inappreciative--essentially, brain dead?

    Yes
    No

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    Last edited by wetibbe; 07 Feb 2013 at 07:04.
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