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  1. #31


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Did you get the memo? xp is dead.

    Although I've heard Windows 8 has pretty impressive program comparability support, at least for some elder games.
    As long as programs work in it, XP is immortal as a VM.

    The compatibility is great in Win8 for some elder games indeed but in extreme cases you have VM's as well.
    You've heard? I though you've already (at least) seen the menu's. 16bit resolutions available there + Win7 and XP SP3 compatibility added.

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  2. #32


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Theoretically by now, elder software that needed xp should had been updated for Windows 7, and theoretically run in Windows 8 without issue. It's pretty absurd that software in this decade still needs an Windows version from a decade ago. I find it's inexcusable considering a set date of end support is nearing.
    Glad to see that you are volunteering to replace old business software with new versions, out of the goodness of your heart and your bottomless wallet.
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  3. #33


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    I haven't had the best of luck trying to run Windows 8 on my hardware, and have pretty well reached the enough is enough stage too. It would only be a matter of time and one or more Metro Apps would refuse to launch. Reset and Refresh were no help. System restore didn't fix it either. I'd have to do a clean install and then just wait for it to happen again. The last straw for me was a complete lockup by Metro. No apps would launch, couldn't get to my desktop, even task manager failed to launch correctly. At this point I'm not really inspired to pony up the 40 bucks to keep running 8 so I went back to 7. I'm guessing it might be a combination of the hardware I'm running it on, and the drivers for said hardware. Both of my desktop PC's had the same problems with Metro and Metro apps. They have very similar hardware, an Asus M4N68T-M V2 µATX Motherboard in one and an Asus M2N68-AM SE2 µATX Motherboard in the other.
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  4. #34


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Did you get the memo? xp is dead.
    Did you ever stop to think that maybe we have different needs than you and a grandiose statement as such just makes you look like an idiot.

    #1). I work for a software company, and i have to test stuff that customers might run into. So, I need XP a whole lot more than Windows 8 compatibility mode

    #2). When testing software, like a backup app, or misc network utility, I often do so in a VM. An XP VM takes a whole heck of a lot less resources (RAM, CPU, HDD space) to spin up and play around with than (vista, 7 or 8). With just 2-3GB of space and 256MB of RAM, I can run XP and get done what I need to test. I keep an XP image that I can reuse and it's like 2GB, which can be copied from my source a whole lot faster than a 12GB Windows 8 image.
    Many people (and it looks like CR is included in that) have no idea how deeply entrenched the XP technology is. It's everywhere. Microsoft may say it's "dead" from a strictly marketing and support (as far as THEY are concerned) standpoint but out "in the wild" there are many, MANY people who still use it to run their daily lives, businesses, what have you. When I walk around our corporate office I still see many machines that are running XP. I go to the doctor's office and their entire LAN is built around XP workstations. My bank (Bank of America, not just some little fly by night operation) still uses mostly XP in the branch offices. Not everybody is on the "upgrade train" with this stuff like many of us here are. They're too busy taking care of business to be worried about whether they have the latest version of an O/S. The sentiment among computer users IN GENERAL is simply this: If it ain't broke, why fix it? You have to answer the question "why" more often in corporate environments because they are not likely to upgrade to the latest item just "because it's cool".

    People like me can afford to upgrade and play with the technology but there are many out there who are using their [XP, Vista, Win7] installations that, if asked, can't come up with the sufficient "why" to retool. I can afford to buy a new hammer if I want to, too. There's some really great looking ones down at Lowes and they're always coming out with new models that look really COOL but then I ask myself why ... does my existing hammer now all-of-a-sudden no longer function because there's a new one for sale?

    I'm not saying there's anything WRONG with making new models of hammers, but to take the attitude that someone is a luddite because they refuse to upgrade to our latest, greatest hammer so they can be with the crowd? Nuts. You upgrade when you either break your existing tool or you determine the new tool will do what you want it to much better than what you have and you can afford same. THAT's when you upgrade.

    One more analogy and I'll quit my rant. Take another example: Honda. I own a 2006 Honda Civic. Bought it from Courtesy Honda back in 2009 as a slightly-used car. It's got 125,000 miles (or so) on it right now. One thing I DON'T ever hear from Courtesy (or Honda USA) is that the "2006 Civic is DEAD". I can still get service for the thing, it still runs like a champ and I'll probably get half-a-million miles out of it. They have given me no service deadline (I.E. after such-and-such a date we will refuse to 'support' your 2006 Honda). No ... they service it practically forever. Rare to see in the software industry, though as I think about it I realize that the company I work for services our product no matter how long someone has owned it.

    Making statements like "XP is DEAD" comes from people who are uninformed about what goes on in the real world. The deeper the penetration that this technology makes, the longer it's going to take to force people from one platform to the next. Some will, some won't, so what? A tool is a tool. Why shouldn't someone be able to use it as long as they want to?

    -Max
    Last edited by Max Peck; 31 Jan 2013 at 10:13.
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  5. #35


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Theoretically by now, elder software that needed xp should had been updated for Windows 7, and theoretically run in Windows 8 without issue. It's pretty absurd that software in this decade still needs an Windows version from a decade ago. I find it's inexcusable considering a set date of end support is nearing.
    Glad to see that you are volunteering to replace old business software with new versions, out of the goodness of your heart and your bottomless wallet.
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  6. #36


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I haven't had the best of luck trying to run Windows 8 on my hardware, and have pretty well reached the enough is enough stage too. It would only be a matter of time and one or more Metro Apps would refuse to launch. Reset and Refresh were no help. System restore didn't fix it either. I'd have to do a clean install and then just wait for it to happen again. The last straw for me was a complete lockup by Metro. No apps would launch, couldn't get to my desktop, even task manager failed to launch correctly. At this point I'm not really inspired to pony up the 40 bucks to keep running 8 so I went back to 7. I'm guessing it might be a combination of the hardware I'm running it on, and the drivers for said hardware. Both of my desktop PC's had the same problems with Metro and Metro apps. They have very similar hardware, an Asus M4N68T-M V2 µATX Motherboard in one and an Asus M2N68-AM SE2 µATX Motherboard in the other.
    As far as I'm concerned I simply got to the point where I was tired of fiddling with it. The whole thing was becoming obsessive. It's just not worth it. Nothing I'm doing requires it so I finally quit fooling with it. It was OK to play with it for awhile (like a year-and-a-half off and on!) but I really would rather do something else.

    -Max
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  7. #37


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I haven't had the best of luck trying to run Windows 8 on my hardware, and have pretty well reached the enough is enough stage too. It would only be a matter of time and one or more Metro Apps would refuse to launch. Reset and Refresh were no help. System restore didn't fix it either. I'd have to do a clean install and then just wait for it to happen again. The last straw for me was a complete lockup by Metro. No apps would launch, couldn't get to my desktop, even task manager failed to launch correctly. At this point I'm not really inspired to pony up the 40 bucks to keep running 8 so I went back to 7. I'm guessing it might be a combination of the hardware I'm running it on, and the drivers for said hardware. Both of my desktop PC's had the same problems with Metro and Metro apps. They have very similar hardware, an Asus M4N68T-M V2 µATX Motherboard in one and an Asus M2N68-AM SE2 µATX Motherboard in the other.
    As far as I'm concerned I simply got to the point where I was tired of fiddling with it. The whole thing was becoming obsessive. It's just not worth it. Nothing I'm doing requires it so I finally quit fooling with it. It was OK to play with it for awhile (like a year-and-a-half off and on!) but I really would rather do something else.

    -Max
    I hear you. For windows 7 it takes me maybe 10 minutes to tweak it the way I want it. I could be an hour or more fiddling with the Metro screen etc, to get it so its usable for my needs. Install software, arrange tiles, install software, arrange tiles, wash rinse and repeat.
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  8. #38


    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Just spent the day yesterday building my machine back up to Win7 Ultimate from scratch. I'm done with "8" for the duration. Latest problem: hard crashing when more than one Metro app open with busy desktop.

    Sorry guys ... this thing just ain't an upgrade. I've got better things to do than fool with a tablet O/S on my desktop. It's been fun.

    Wow ... I forgot how much I liked Aero Glass!

    -Max
    My hat off to you, Max. Your OP here and your following ones are to the point, eloquent, and honest. I like how you correct those judging and spamming either way. I feel we should all try to practice that more, including me. I know I can get quite cocky with my attitude at times.

    In reading your posts these past months, I know that you gave it your all with trying and testing 8.

    I just installed my Windows 8 Pro OEM System Builder edition to dual boot with 7 the other night. A few reasons why I've decided to do so. It's not that I don't like 8, but rather I'm a little leery of it, for I think they may have pushed it out the door a little too soon. We all know the pattern of good and lousy of every other OS, not to say that 8 is lousy, but rather a little unstable. I'm sure MS will do their all to work bugs out. I cannot afford to run a business on an OS that I think is not quite stable yet. Although I consider myself luckier than some with their horror stories here. I just feel this is the best way to go for me at the present time.

    Another reason is that I need to update some software, especially Office 2000 Pro and rightfully so. I surely got my money's worth there.

    Anywho, we all need to decide what's best for us. I respect your choice. Does this mean we won't be seeing you here on the forums any longer?
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  9. #39


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    There's probably a good reason why xp mode isn't there in Windows 8, times have changed and xp's support life is coming to a close end than it was when Windows 7 came out. Back when 7 came out, xp was the main OS used and it NEEDED xp mode to run older programs. Theoretically by now, elder software that needed xp should had been updated for Windows 7, and theoretically run in Windows 8 without issue. It's pretty absurd that software in this decade still needs an Windows version from a decade ago. I find it's inexcusable considering a set date of end support is nearing.
    Having to test in XP is NOT (I repeat NOT) due to the software having to run in XP. The software runs in any version of Windows. The problem is that the customer works in an industry that hasn't upgraded their computers off from XP. Lots of our business customers work in environments where their computers are old, antiquated and still running XP. These businesses aren't willing to spend 1 red cent on a new computer until the old computer is completely dead. And I'm not talking about rinky dink companies nobody has ever heard of, I'm talking about companies like Ford Motor Company, Land Rover, Jaquar, etc.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    But ok, if you need to run xp because customers are still running it, it'd probably just be best to run the actual OS of xp versus a mode. A VM would bode better I'd think than that. xp mode was more or less designed to run xp era programs in a new OS to push people onto 7 than stick with xp because of that excuse.
    XP Mode is NOT a mode, it's a VM, plain and simple. It's just licensed and ready to go. Microsoft just elected to call it XP Mode instead of XP VM. I don't know why they did it that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Yet, it took you 7 months to discover that there's no XP mode? You can't be needing it THAT much.
    The reason it wasn't noticed is that we don't run Windows 8 on employee machines at my office. I was experimenting with Windows 8 on my extra desktop (on a second hard drive), and decided to set up a few of the things that I would normally use to see if they all work (VMWare Workstation 8.x, etc). That's when I noticed that you could not use XP Mode. My primary laptop and primary desktop both run Windows 7 Enterprise and I can use XP Mode on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Having said that, 8 Pro (XP Mode only worked on 7 pro, so it's the same) has Client Hyper-V, which is far more powerful, and can run XP if you want to.
    Totally understand. I actually use VMWare Worsktation 8.0.5 on my machine at work. I load XP Mode, and then IMPORT it into VMWare Workstation and run from there. I've never been a Hyper-V fan (although 3.0 is much, much improved), we are a VMWare shop and do everything in vSphere 4.x and 5.x I stick with VMWare on the desktop to maintain consistency and utilize tips and tricks and documentation that I have already written over the years.

    I know that I can use a volume license copy of our Windows XP install media (or my own MSDN copy) and install Windows XP into a VM just like anything else, but then I have to actually do the setup and input our key..yadda, yadda, yadda. I didn't have to do that with XP Mode. It was extremely small, ready to go, and worked perfectly without being in a grey licensing area whatsoever.

    I just don't like loosing functionality and features when I upgrade my operating system. I expect the same feature set and more when I go to new versions.
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  10. #40


    Posts : 7
    Windows 8 Pro 64-bit


    Windows 8 is GR8! No need to H8!


    I never had problems with Window7 Ultimate, and no problems with Windows 8 Pro.

    So far I am happy with Win8, although I'm still learning it (getting used to it).
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