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    I've come to a realization . . . .


    Actually, it's been developing over a long time and that realization is that most people are too stupid to really know how to use their computers or what goes on with their computers and really don't want to know. Surprisingly, this includes much of the supposedly "tech-savvy" younger generation.

    I'm retired assembly language and C programmer and now work at a large store. One of my coworkers is a young fellow (23) and always talks about how "techy geeky" he is. Computers are his thing. Computers are where it's at. This fellow was surprised as all get out to learn that he could upgrade the operating system on his PC. He thought that the operating system that came on it was the only one that could work.

    Anyway, back to the story.

    I was at a store a couple weeks ago and was playing with a PC that had Windows 8 installed. I was was less than impressed by the black screen with the boring icons. Then I started that sideways scrolling thing to find programs. God that was awful.

    I've always liked uncluttered desktops on my computers. I normally have only four or five things on the desktop. I use the QuickLaunch bar for things used daily, I have toolbars created for groups of programs that I use often and the Start menu is organized into groups. However, I am the exception.

    When I use someone else's computer, their desktops are a mess. A gazillion icons on the desktop because every program plops an icon there even if it will never be used, like Acrobat Reader or whatever its current name is.

    So for these people to have to scroll sideways through ten pages of big blocks to find Quicken is probably an improvement.

    Back to my earlier rant.

    Back in the early days of PCs, I'd wind up helping someone straighten out problems with their PC and I'd find that all of their data was mixed in with the applications. Why? Because the default save directory for many applications was the installation directory for that application. So if you did something like delete the entire application to do a fresh install, all of their documents were gone. Arrrrrr!

    Fortunately, someplace along the way, Microsoft introduced the documents folder but I've found that people still don't know where their stuff is hidden on the computer. They just blindly let the applications put their files wherever the program desires which makes life complicated when they want to do something simple like copy a file onto an SD card.

    I teach an adulted class that is computer centric. My students are all adults, mostly professionals, ranging in age from 40 to 60. Most of these people have computers at work but I am continually astounded at how few of them know how to copy and paste or how to find a photo on an SD card.

    I guess that I shouldn't be surprised. I know people who didn't know that their car's engine had oil in it.

    Well, that's the end of tonight's rant.

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    Arnhem, The Netherlands
    Posts : 1,412
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64 Media Center Edition




    My man! I just finished laughing about your post. No laughing AT, but laughing ABOUT. It is just SO RECOGNISABLE for me! Thank you!!!!

    I am what you might call a young person (early 30's), but I've been around pc's since the 3x86. Since then pc's were a part of my life and I made it my life's work to know as much about them as I could. And in that perspective I did help A LOT of friends, collegues, family of collegues etc. with their corrupted machine and other pc questions. Not for money, just because I like helping people in distress.

    Recently I terminated my "helpdesk modus" due to the fact that how hard I try, the most people just won't want to learn anything about their pc and keep on making the same mistakes over and over again. So I fixed a pc today, tomorrow they will be back because something like "the startpage is gone and only gives an Ask site" etc. The "tragic" part is dat some of those lunatics even call themselves "computer minded pro's" ==> yeah right!

    I don't think everyone should know everything about the pc's. But please, please make them "think first, think again, and click later". That would solve a lot of problems on this world .

    I just woke up and saw your post and started typing a reply. I guess I don't have a real point to make here, other than a "THANK YOU FOR THE MORNING LAUGH!". And in the end I think people like you and me are part of an elite club of people who actually KNOW what computers are and how they work and who think first and act later..... Amen to that!
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    I'm older than both of you - but this reminds me of common instances back a while. Remember when cameras were separate devices and actually had a strange mysterious roll in them -- I think it was called "Film".

    Anyway in the interest of "dumbing down" the population was it Kodak - or somebody else - I don't know - but they bought out this camera called an "instamatic" where the film came sealed in a "cassette" like enclosure. - You just opened the camera and inserted the cassette. Rather like inserting an SD card into a phone / e-reader other device.

    Even back then people would go into the store and ask the salesperson " Can you please change the film in my Instamatic camera as I don't know how to do it".

    Seems the brains of "Homo Sapiens" have regressed even further since those days.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Arnhem, The Netherlands
    Posts : 1,412
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64 Media Center Edition


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

    Seems the brains of "Homo Sapiens" have regressed even further since those days.
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    West Auckland
    Posts : 107
    Windows 8 Pro Pack x64


    In my travels, it seems the longer someone has been in the computer industry, the more inept they are at dealing with the latest technology or hardware. Constantly winging about this and that from 30 years ago and how it's all gone to hell, and that it's all microsofts fault or that the population is dumb.

    A young'n like me comes along with his fresh brain socking up al there is to know about the latest OS and is constantly hungry for more knowledge, the older guy always seems to revert back to the same old argument that "I've been around commuters since before you were born" crap.

    I don't care if you were a computer engineer for Nasa, I'm not the one asking why there's a balloon notification saying Delayed Write Error after having pulled out the thumb drive while stuff was copying to it now am I?

    Has beens are the worst computer geeks to deal with. Get with the game or stop complaining.

    Microsoft is an adventure! Take the new OS and be grateful that is IS DIFFERENT, rather than complain the "they've changed everything".

    Imagine how you'd feel if you booted 8 for the first time and it was identical to 7... is that what you really want?

    I didn't think so.
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    West Auckland
    Posts : 107
    Windows 8 Pro Pack x64


    "Users" are dumb. They have been since the beginning of time, and always will be.

    BOFH will inherit the world.
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    Awesome read...I see it every day, sadly it's with the wife's laptop. I cringe every time she asks me to take a look at her laptop for this of that reason. I just, as a husband should do, say ok dear and fix what see wants and let her go on her marry way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnOfE View Post
    Imagine how you'd feel if you booted 8 for the first time and it was identical to 7... is that what you really want?
    I also like having the clutch on the left, brake in the middle and gas on the right. If I got into a car and those three things were in different places, I wouldn't like that at all. I guess I am an old fogey.

    One of the things that you learn as you age is that change for the sake of change is rarely a good thing and that evolution is usually better than revolution. New isn't always better. VHS wasn't really better than Beta. HDMI isn't the bestest thing ever. The disc camera was not better than the Instamatic.
    Last edited by BarnabasSackett; 26 Jan 2013 at 11:20.
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    Posts : 2,627
    win8.1.1 enterprise


    Quote Originally Posted by bassfisher6522 View Post
    Awesome read...I see it every day, sadly it's with the wife's laptop. I cringe every time she asks me to take a look at her laptop for this of that reason. I just, as a husband should do, say ok dear and fix what see wants and let her go on her marry way.
    take the time and teach her ,i did and you would not believe the time it now saves me ,she converts and burns dvd ,taught he to alt+ctrl+del for task manager when she's first hit with a trojan ,to killit ,then run malwarebytes ,and ccleaner and MSE ,ect ect , better to teach than just Do!
    now if i could do that with the rest of her family[11 in all ] well educated most of them and as already pointed out all ready by OP ,then still don't know how to get files of devices ,4 yrs of pic's on cameras and the like ,it just goes on and on ,



    I don't consider myself a Computer Tech,but i have taught myself a lot about computers over the years ,cant code .wish i could ,no memory for one thing ,also have A.A.D.D.,im almost 60 ,and been using since mt first 386 computer .If you go to Microsoft MVP site and search jack burton you will find me there,last 4 years now ,actually don't know how i ever got it comparing myself to others there "i know nuttin " [i know for help on forums like this one ] but i do know that its harder to qualify now ,anyway ,i got the door stop trophy .lol
    great thread and great chuckle
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    Posts : 308
    64-bit Windows 8


    Old computers and OS's are one thing; new ones are another. They're very different. But I know both, and I love both.

    I was into mainframe computers in the 1960's and 70's, using COBOL and Assembler. I had an original IBM PC in the early 80's and used Assembler and Pascal. But I've been away from computers for about 25 years, other than using them on the job (Outlook, Word, etc).

    A few months ago I decided to get back into computers again, even if only for fun. But I knew that all my old-school computer knowledge was no good today. So I first bought a 1000-page book on Windows 8, read the whole thing, and made sure I understood it. THEN I bought a computer. And that's why I only need "help" once or twice a month, rather than every ten minutes.

    When you purchase a computer, you aren't thereby "purchasing" knowledge about it. You have to ACQUIRE the knowledge. Everybody knew that in the 1950's and 60's, but nobody knows it today. Back then, nobody ever bought a computer and just started pushing the buttons experimentally to see what they would do. You learn first, and then you buy. If you worked for a business that had a computer, they wouldn't even let you touch it unless you had studied computers in a technical school or in college.

    But now it's "Buy first, and then learn." And that's why there are a million "technical service reps" on the phone 24/7 helping people (and businesses) with every little thing that happens. By the time they're through with phone calls, and e-mails, and recovering, and refreshing, and restoring, and re-installing, and repairing, and software add-ons, and upgrading, and downgrading, it'll cost them maybe $500 or $1000, plus a ton of aggravation. And why? Because they didn't want to pay $50 for a book. Or because they just don't enjoy reading. And the irony of it is that the people who AREN'T in it just for fun -- the ones who need it for a PRACTICAL purpose -- are the ones who don't want to learn.
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