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  1. #11


    Arnhem, The Netherlands
    Posts : 1,412
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    Great post Dragon Drop! And so true!

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  2. #12


    Quote Originally Posted by BarnabasSackett View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnOfE View Post
    Imagine how you'd feel if you booted 8 for the first time and it was identical to 7... is that what you really want?
    I also like having the clutch on the left, brake in the middle and gas on the right. If I got into a car and those three things were in different places, I wouldn't like that at all. I guess I am an old fogey.

    One of the things that you learn as you age is that change for the sake of change is rarely a good thing and that evolution is usually better than revolution. New isn't always better. VHS wasn't really better than Beta. HDMI isn't the bestest thing ever. The disc camera was not better than the Instamatic.
    AND, at one time dimmer switches were on the floorboard; subject to rust as well as fumbling for. Now they are conveniently built into the turn signal switch.

    Now I remember, old timers complained about that change, as well as front wheel drive being unsafe, anti-lock brakes, power steering on semi trucks would make them lose control,

    I remember it taking awhile for everyone to embrace XP from 98. ME & 2000 weren't embraced at all.
    So if vista was the stepping stone from XP to 7. Perhaps 9 will be smooth like 7.
    If not, we still have to accept MS is changing for the future. It is only then, when we accept the changes, that we can move on to find benefits of the new OS and share with others.
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  3. #13


    Posts : 2,627
    win8.1.1 enterprise


    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon Drop View Post

    And the irony of it is that the people who AREN'T in it just for fun -- the ones who need it for a PRACTICAL purpose -- are the ones who don't want to learn.
    well said ,great post
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  4. #14


    Quote Originally Posted by BarnabasSackett View Post
    Actually, it's been developing over a long time and that realization is that most people are too stupid to really know how to use their computers or what goes on with their computers and really don't want to know. Surprisingly, this includes much of the supposedly "tech-savvy" younger generation.

    I'm retired assembly language and C programmer and now work at a large store. One of my coworkers is a young fellow (23) and always talks about how "techy geeky" he is. Computers are his thing. Computers are where it's at. This fellow was surprised as all get out to learn that he could upgrade the operating system on his PC. He thought that the operating system that came on it was the only one that could work.

    Anyway, back to the story.

    I was at a store a couple weeks ago and was playing with a PC that had Windows 8 installed. I was was less than impressed by the black screen with the boring icons. Then I started that sideways scrolling thing to find programs. God that was awful.

    I've always liked uncluttered desktops on my computers. I normally have only four or five things on the desktop. I use the QuickLaunch bar for things used daily, I have toolbars created for groups of programs that I use often and the Start menu is organized into groups. However, I am the exception.

    When I use someone else's computer, their desktops are a mess. A gazillion icons on the desktop because every program plops an icon there even if it will never be used, like Acrobat Reader or whatever its current name is.

    So for these people to have to scroll sideways through ten pages of big blocks to find Quicken is probably an improvement.

    Back to my earlier rant.

    Back in the early days of PCs, I'd wind up helping someone straighten out problems with their PC and I'd find that all of their data was mixed in with the applications. Why? Because the default save directory for many applications was the installation directory for that application. So if you did something like delete the entire application to do a fresh install, all of their documents were gone. Arrrrrr!

    Fortunately, someplace along the way, Microsoft introduced the documents folder but I've found that people still don't know where their stuff is hidden on the computer. They just blindly let the applications put their files wherever the program desires which makes life complicated when they want to do something simple like copy a file onto an SD card.

    I teach an adulted class that is computer centric. My students are all adults, mostly professionals, ranging in age from 40 to 60. Most of these people have computers at work but I am continually astounded at how few of them know how to copy and paste or how to find a photo on an SD card.

    I guess that I shouldn't be surprised. I know people who didn't know that their car's engine had oil in it.

    Well, that's the end of tonight's rant.
    So Barnabas, if one of your students says they are going to buy a new computer with 8 installed how will you respond? By telling them not to because 8 is crap and buy 7 instead?
    How about when a student talks about upgrading 7 to 8?
    Are you going to quit teaching because MS OS's are getting stupid?

    I believe the majority of people not in school or working use computers for email, games and social sites.
    They don't know how to do what they want at first.
    They don't understand how icons get on their desktop, much less know how remove, rearrange or hide them.
    They don't know how to navigate thru folders. Much less understand the jibberjabber about default location for file saving location of their new program. Don't know difference of file suffixes.
    Simple everyday tasks like copy/paste are learning challenges to someone without computer familiarity.

    For a computer teacher to come here, complaining how smart those idiots aren't after paying him to teach them is ......
    They aren't the idiots
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  5. #15


    Ohio
    Posts : 473
    Windows 8 Pro


    To those of you who are computer savvy, I admire that. Especially those who understand programming, I think that's great and I wish that I had that ability. But to those of you who call others who are not as adept as you "stupid" and put them down in other ways I would call that a little bit childish. Incidentally, they may be more adept in other areas than you are in computers. But, I would hope they would not call you stupid because you are not knowledgeable as they in their field. And yes, Jimbo, I might be even older that you are.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 2,627
    win8.1.1 enterprise


    Quote Originally Posted by Frank1 View Post
    To those of you who are computer savvy, I admire that. Especially those who understand programming, I think that's great and I wish that I had that ability. But to those of you who call others who are not as adept as you "stupid" and put them down in other ways I would call that a little bit childish. Incidentally, they may be more adept in other areas than you are in computers. But, I would hope they would not call you stupid because you are not knowledgeable as they in their field. And yes, Jimbo, I might be even older that you are.
    now i feel stupid ,thank god i did,t call any of my wife's family stupid
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  7. #17


    Posts : 308
    64-bit Windows 8


    It's not a question of being "smart" or being "stupid." I would never call anyone stupid just because the intricacy of computers is too much for them, as it is for millions of others. But the computer and software makers want everybody to buy their products, so they try to convince the public that computers are "easy."

    Then people buy a computer and think "I've gotta do it! If I can't do it, it'll mean I'm stupid!" But it's NOT because they're stupid; it's because computers just AREN'T easy.
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  8. #18


    Quote Originally Posted by Frank1 View Post
    To those of you who are computer savvy, I admire that. Especially those who understand programming, I think that's great and I wish that I had that ability. But to those of you who call others who are not as adept as you "stupid" and put them down in other ways I would call that a little bit childish. Incidentally, they may be more adept in other areas than you are in computers. But, I would hope they would not call you stupid because you are not knowledgeable as they in their field. And yes, Jimbo, I might be even older that you are.
    Very well stated and agree, Frank. I very much like your sig BTW. I think some here should read and contemplate on the quotes.
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  9. #19


    Ohio
    Posts : 473
    Windows 8 Pro


    Thank you, Tony
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  10. #20


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    It is sad but it is true. I teach classes at a computer club with 800 members. 795 of those have no clue how to deal with a computer - other than clicking on a couple of preset icons. A lady who claims to have used a PC since 20 years complained that my classes were too difficult to follow. And I really designed them for the last moron to understand with plenty of visuals and links.

    Ask the kids to convert the number 30 to binary and then to hexadecimal. Those that come up with 0001 1110 and 1E are the winners.
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