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  1. #121


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by JOD View Post
    I am not a power user, but on the other hand I am more than a common user, somewhere in between. At work, I have W7, at home W8. I have absolutely no problem with either of these systems - of course, there are some things that do not appeal to me (like Reader in metro-style only, which makes switching between documents a bit of hassle), but nothing which would make me consider downgrading to W7. For the record, I spend most of the time (97 %+) on the desktop and am using Start8 - e.g. you can use the Win key not to switch to the last app, but can force it to go to desktop everytime. Simple feature, yet absolutely improves my experience. And no, I do not say that something like this should have been in W8 from the start, as I really do not care about what-ifs.
    You can actually, real easily, make Windows 8 that 97% based Desktop OS. Just unpin/uninstall the superfluous apps, change program defaults to Desktop apps, and pin File Explorer locations and other Desktop related items to the Start Screen. Every time you hit the Start key, it will ALWAYS go to Start and back to the Desktop regardless. If you had an app just open and you hit Start, it would go back to that app. But if you were to be in the Desktop all the time, it would just be the Desktop.

    Now THAT would be using Windows 8!

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  2. #122


    Quote Originally Posted by al4nw31 View Post
    Well, Microsoft has taken the lead here, and either they're going to pay, or it's going to be the new standard.
    The problem is that most people don't even know that there are alternatives available and wouldn't know what to do with them if they did know. The whole gist of this thread is that most computer users blindly accept whatever is put in front of them.
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  3. #123


    Quote Originally Posted by BarnabasSackett View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by al4nw31 View Post
    Well, Microsoft has taken the lead here, and either they're going to pay, or it's going to be the new standard.
    The problem is that most people don't even know that there are alternatives available and wouldn't know what to do with them if they did know. The whole gist of this thread is that most computer users blindly accept whatever is put in front of them.
    I'll tell you right now, here's what went into the thought process of Windows 8 vs Windows 7.
    Windows 8:
    Gravitation towards Metro apps, not compatible with 7.
    FAST boot ups, save ~$100+, no need for a SSD.
    Gestures (Yes, they are a benefit, since you can fall back on Desktop mode anyways).

    Windows 7:
    Cream of the crop OS.
    VERY few problems.
    Aero looks AMAZING (but Metro is almost as good).
    Better driver support.

    The main reason why I swapped was the fast boot times.
    And legitimately, the people complaining about how there's very poor integration of Desktop and Metro have not used it enough. It is not that hard. The search function is Windows 8 is AMAZING compared to 7. I have NEVER had any issue with anything along those lines.
    I agree that Win8 is more geared towards consumers and not enterprise, however.
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  4. #124


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by al4nw31 View Post
    And legitimately, the people complaining about how there's very poor integration of Desktop and Metro have not used it enough. It is not that hard. The search function is Windows 8 is AMAZING compared to 7. I have NEVER had any issue with anything along those lines.

    I agree that Win8 is more geared towards consumers and not enterprise, however.
    People who are criticising aspects of Windows 8 are far from casual/infrequent users, or inexperienced computer users. Few who criticise Windows 8 have said that it's difficult to use; however, it simply does not suit everyone's work style, but they have no choice unless they resort to third party solutions.

    The search function is different to that of Windows 7, but not that amazing. In fact it needs to be there because many things in the system are effectively hidden (from what was a familiar interface). Someone who has an intimate knowledge of their system and has it well organised, has very infrequent need for the search function.

    I do agree with your last sentence, Windows is being dumbed down to satisfy the lowest common denominator.
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  5. #125


    Yup, people just won't give it a chance. Pretty lame if you ask me.

    Got to love the arguement, I like it so you should to, lol.
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  6. #126


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    FAST boot ups, save ~$100+, no need for a SSD
    I wonder how fast this 'fast bootup' from a spinner really is. I don't use spinners any more so I cannot check. Can someonje post the Event 100 data from the Event Viewer. You find it in:

    Eventvwr
    Applications and Service Logs
    Microsoft
    Windows
    Diagnostics - performance
    Operational
    Event ID 100
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  7. #127


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Thanks whs


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    FAST boot ups, save ~$100+, no need for a SSD
    I wonder how fast this 'fast bootup' from a spinner really is. I don't use spinners any more so I cannot check. Can someonje post the Event 100 data from the Event Viewer. You find it in:

    Eventvwr
    Applications and Service Logs
    Microsoft
    Windows
    Diagnostics - performance
    Operational
    Event ID 100
    Thanks for that info.

    I assume the time includes the processes that occur after the Start Screen/Desktop appear?

    My W8 VHD has stopped working, but my W7 time on a SATA II HDD is ~52,400ms.

    I wouldn't spend ~$100+ to save a few seconds of boot up time (I use Sleep anyway).
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  8. #128


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    My system boots in 18 seconds from my M4 SSD. That is quite a difference. And it is not only the boot time. All programs are a lot snappier. Try to boot a biggie like Gimp from a spinner. You can go to lunch in the meantime.

    Even my Windows 8 running under VMware Player on an external SSD attached via USB boots in 26 seconds. A spinner would take forever. I guess it's all of what you are used to.

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  9. #129


    I'm getting bootups from 45 seconds to 70 seconds on a spinning disk, but I have about 500GB out of 2TB of data.
    I have a 2TB Caviar Green too, so it isn't optimized for speed at all.
    On W7, I was getting ~80-120 second startups, so it cut it almost in half.
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  10. #130


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    The anount of data should not impact the boot time as long as the OS is on the first partition of the platter. The worst mistake you can make is if you put the OS on the last partition.

    For a spinner. your times look good. But I still prefer my OS on the SSD.
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