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What's wrong with W8 and what MS should do to fix it....

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    What's wrong with W8 and what MS should do to fix it....


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    Welcome. Hate to say it, but threads dealing with this sort of issue are "all over the place" here. You might get some annoyed sounding replies. But, OK:

    I would like to have an improved Windows 7-style start menu, available from MS, on the desktop. I would like the option, available in Win8, of starting directly to the desktop or to the "metro" start screen. I am not sure what all it should do, but I'd like to have a "metro" desktop icon available through Win8 via desktop > personalize > Change desktop icons. One thing the icon could do is allow access to the charm bar. I would like to be able to, via Win8, disable the charm bar.
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    Yet another person that a) doesn't know how software works, and how software development in general works and b) doesn't understand the direction that Windows is going, and the way its getting there.

    Windows 8 is not an "unfinished product", in that it contains all features that were intended for it. But it is a part of an overall transition that is not yet finished. It's like when they build a bridge in-place with an existing bridge. Pieces of it are added, and opened up for the general public to use one step at a time. Each piece is finished, but the overall project isn't done until the last piece is in place. That last piece is many years coming in Windows case (the removal of the legacy desktop).

    Complaining about the "non-cohesiveness" or "inconsistency" is pointless because this is an expected, and known disadvantage that is part of the process. The only way they're going to "fix" it is to finish the transition.

    Again, as in the case of the bridge. It's like complaining that the partially completed project is inconsistent, because the bridge has two designs. One side has three lanes, and the other side has 2, why didn't they just make it all 2.5 lanes? See how silly that sounds?
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    I see your points. The article says "feels" like an unfinished product. But it is usable and responsive. It is no secret that MS wanted to make a hybrid OS. But they could've done a better job. ie: removing utility duplicates, Make desktop UI more touch friendly. The article merely explores solutions to these problems, but does not complain of usability. Both UI's should complemet each other. Switching from desktop mode to metro and vice versa should not 'drastically' change how one uses the OS. It should be a smoother transition.

    EDIT: The way I see it, They slapped the metro UI to a better windows 7 while not thinking too much about integration. Since they wanted the OS on tablets, they could've done a better job. Also about your bridge analogy, that just sound like bad planning to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountain15 View Post
    I note that you show linux (two places) to be your OS. Do you use Win8?
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    Are there (undeclared) Microsoft employees on this forum? Some responders seem to indicate a very deep and intimate knowledge of Microsoft's planning, policies and procedures, and its future directions. Or are they just extracting opinions from a dark, wet, place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mountain15 View Post
    I note that you show linux (two places) to be your OS. Do you use Win8?
    Yes I do. I dual boot with linux. I do most of my programming work in linux.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Are there (undeclared) Microsoft employees on this forum? Some responders seem to indicate a very deep and intimate knowledge of Microsoft's planning, policies and procedures, and its future directions. Or are they just extracting opinions from a dark, wet, place?
    I think they are just passionate.

    But you have to be realistic and point out flaws when you see them. Its not about taking sides. It's about what's best for us, the consumers.
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    It really is about what is best for MS/its shareholders, where business and general user interests are not always as well aligned as one might want or expect.
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    @ Mystere

    Another great post as always. :thumbup:

    @ Ray8

    It's simply collective opinions on where MS is going with this thing. In any endeavour one begins to see the "big picture" after awhile. It could be anything. In my case, it's seeing the big picture of building a building. It's performed in a step by step process with a plan. After some time it becomes 2nd nature.

    With MS it's them being "reimagined" and their vision on they think the direction of computing is going. The ingenious attempt to change computing for the better with a "transitional" OS. I'm quite sure they did studies on all this. It just doesn't simply appear from thin air. The wheel has always been bettered with use and time. The only thing they have in common is that they roll. The same with OSs. They all manage electronic components.

    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    It really is about what is best for MS/its shareholders, where business and general user interests are not always as well aligned as one might want or expect.
    I have to not agree with you totally here, znod. Yes, in the end they have to answer to stockholders with earnings, but it's rather a great balancing act to reach earnings. First, one has to put out a good product that consumers will take to. MS overall through the years has performed this.

    I think MS to be rather daring in taking the risk of creating and releasing Windows 8. But, at times if one doesn't take risks, one loses at the game. I'm sure we all have experienced taking risks in life. Setting fear aside to endeavour change, we soon find ourselves in a better position. 8 is simply a start. I'm quite sure MS has something in their plan for enterprise.

    That's my thoughts anyway, for whatever they're worth.
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