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Classic Start Menu -- Microsoft is so out of touch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Again, you're still doing it wrong. There is VERY little to even any existence of hunching over. No one in their professional state of mind would EVER use Photoshop and their finger. Even in the Surface Pro advert, they don't use their finger with Photoshop. Professionals in that arena use a stylus, do you finger paint your signature? I sure hope not, you use a pen.
    Nope, I'm doing it right. I'm me, not you.

    I guess no one uses these sorts of apps: Adobe Photoshop Touch | The new tablet app for creative photo editing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Again, you're still doing it wrong. There is VERY little to even any existence of hunching over. No one in their professional state of mind would EVER use Photoshop and their finger. Even in the Surface Pro advert, they don't use their finger with Photoshop. Professionals in that arena use a stylus, do you finger paint your signature? I sure hope not, you use a pen.
    Nope, I'm doing it right. I'm me, not you.

    I guess no one uses these sorts of apps: Adobe Photoshop Touch | The new tablet app for creative photo editing.
    You do realize, many people that use Photoshop and related software on PCs use something related to a Wacom touchpad with stylus? Ask someone that went from using a mouse to one of those and see if that helped their person or not. A touch monitor just bypasses that, even Wacom builds professional touch monitors for people that do extensive digital media work.
    Interactive Pen Displays | Wacom

    Pricy, yes, but when you're doing that as a career and given the option between a mouse and a Wacom pen display, the ones that can will go for the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You do realize, many people that use Photoshop and related software on PCs use something related to a Wacom touchpad with stylus? Ask someone that went from using a mouse to one of those and see if that helped their person or not. A touch monitor just bypasses that, even Wacom builds professional touch monitors for people that do extensive digital media work.
    Interactive Pen Displays | Wacom

    Pricy, yes, but when you're doing that as a career and given the option between a mouse and a Wacom pen display, the ones that can will go for the latter.
    Do you ever completely read what I write?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    In a dual screen situation, which I have, if I needed a touch style facility, I'd rather use a touch pad or Wacom tablet...
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    [QUOTE=Ray8;182023]
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    You do realize, many people that use Photoshop and related software on PCs use something related to a Wacom touchpad with stylus? Ask someone that went from using a mouse to one of those and see if that helped their person or not. A touch monitor just bypasses that, even Wacom builds professional touch monitors for people that do extensive digital media work.
    Interactive Pen Displays | Wacom

    Pricy, yes, but when you're doing that as a career and given the option between a mouse and a Wacom pen display, the ones that can will go for the latter.
    Do you ever completely read what I write?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    In a dual screen situation, which I have, if I needed a touch style facility, I'd rather use a touch pad or Wacom tablet...
    I did.
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    Another article about Microsoft and Windows 8 looks like the media is against Windows 8.

    Do you hate Microsoft? | Marketplace Blog - CNET Reviews
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    I think there are a lot of valid points being repeated and I'll bet that will continue once Windows 8 become more prevalent in the market ie people upgrade PCs etc.

    Just now, I found another annoying aspect about the start menu. I use Classic Shell to give me back the traditional desktop environment, but I've also re-configured my two monitors so that the desktop/taskbar etc are on one screen and the new start menu is on the other. However, every time I click on anything in the main screen, the start menu disappears. It simply won't stay resident while I work on the main screen. I guess rather than being a flaw, that's a feature of Windows 8.
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    Personally, I will be gobsmacked if ms doesn't backpedal with the next version of windles and reinstate the desktop, at least as some type of option during install, or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Another article about Microsoft and Windows 8 looks like the media is against Windows 8.

    Do you hate Microsoft? | Marketplace Blog - CNET Reviews
    Interesting read. Although, it seems the author shined a spot light on imperfections and cast that as the overall view of Windows and Microsoft. But the attitudes I've come across over the years do reflect that though. Probably the most ridiculous thing I've heard about Windows is that they come out with a new version every year and charge you for it. This is your average tech illiterate that is using xp.

    But the line that Windows 8 Pro tablets start at 900 dollars before the Touch Cover basically states some illiteracy right there. The author just insinuated that is the ENTIRE market of tablet PCs running Windows 8, they ALL start at 900 dollars and ALL have a touch cover. Ok?

    Something that came to mind just needs to be exposed, many will say that Windows 8 is great for touch and tablet PCs, you can figure it out, but on the desktop you can't figure things out so easily. Does anyone not see the flaw in that logic? If it's easy to use and learn on one form factor, by that line of thinking, it is so on the other form factor.

    No, I don't hate Microsoft or harbor strange animosity against them for things when they go wrong. Why? I know the things that go wrong usually won't fall on them, it's usually a third party fault or user error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Personally, I will be gobsmacked if ms doesn't backpedal with the next version of windles and reinstate the desktop, at least as some type of option during install, or whatever.
    I'd be prepared to be gobsmacked....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I think there are a lot of valid points being repeated and I'll bet that will continue once Windows 8 become more prevalent in the market ie people upgrade PCs etc.

    Just now, I found another annoying aspect about the start menu. I use Classic Shell to give me back the traditional desktop environment, but I've also re-configured my two monitors so that the desktop/taskbar etc are on one screen and the new start menu is on the other. However, every time I click on anything in the main screen, the start menu disappears. It simply won't stay resident while I work on the main screen. I guess rather than being a flaw, that's a feature of Windows 8.
    This is simply because they aren't treated as two separate environments. They may seem so superficially, but they're really not. It's just like if on Windows 7 in your setup, it'd be like getting annoyed that the start menu doesn't stay open when you click open a program or folder or window. That's neither flaw or feature, that's just the design that's been there forever.
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