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Classic Start Menu -- Microsoft is so out of touch

  1. #11


    Sunnyvale, CA USA
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center (64-bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon Drop View Post
    I guess it's a matter of taste, depending on what you think of as "all in one place." True, the Start Menu is a smaller AREA than the whole Desktop. But if I want Notepad and I have to click "Start Menu" and THEN "Programs" and THEN "Windows Accessories" and THEN "Notepad," that's four places. My Notepad icon on the Desktop is only one place to click. My Desktop has 48 large-size icons at the moment, and they only take up about half of it. So I could have 100 or so.

    You can put an icon on the Desktop for anything you want. Computer, Control Panel, Recent Items......whatever you want, you can get it with one click (or one double-click). And the same thing goes for Start Screen tiles, though I don't use the Start Screen myself. You just have to create the tile or icon once, and then it will always be there. As I say, it's a matter of taste. But IMO, the Start menu is the LONGEST way to get where you're going.
    I don't intend to get too argumentative here, but the Desktop area is usually covered up by an application window or two or three they way I use it, but the task bar is always visible, so a start button or toolbar folder is always accessible.

    Moreover, Window desktop icons sooner or later seem to move around no matter how carefully placed, so finding locations is not so automatic. I've never seen taskbar icons move (if locked and notifications managed properly), so the physical locations are very easy to locate and always in the same place. (Well, I take that back, sometimes Windows wants to sort them its own way, so don't try changing their order.)

    We all work differently, I like to have things appear physically in the same place all the time. I don't want to look around for them.

    You'd think I'd like the Start Screen then, but I really have not used it at all yet.

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  2. #12


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by arachnaut View Post
    Moreover, Window desktop icons sooner or later seem to move around no matter how carefully placed, so finding locations is not so automatic.
    You may find Fences by Stardock to be quite usable then. Not only does it keep icons in nice little pens, but it also backs up their location and can restore it whenever you like. You can also add color to the fences to help you distinguish them.

    Fences - Your tool for a clean desktop
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  3. #13


    Sunnyvale, CA USA
    Posts : 283
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center (64-bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by mbratch View Post
    I'm still waiting for someone to tell me from the Start screen how to access a Recent Item list (various recently accessed documents: docx, xlsx, etc) with just a click and a hover, which is all it takes in a start menu.
    Will this work for you?

    Make a shortcut to <user folder>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent on the desktop, then right-click and 'Pin to Start'.
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  4. #14


    Sunnyvale, CA USA
    Posts : 283
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center (64-bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by arachnaut View Post
    Moreover, Window desktop icons sooner or later seem to move around no matter how carefully placed, so finding locations is not so automatic.
    You may find Fences by Stardock to be quite usable then. Not only does it keep icons in nice little pens, but it also backs up their location and can restore it whenever you like. You can also add color to the fences to help you distinguish them.

    Fences - Your tool for a clean desktop

    Looks like a nice tool.
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  5. #15


    Sunnyvale, CA USA
    Posts : 283
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center (64-bit)


    Before I discovered the Classic Shell, I made my Win 8 taskbar toolbars like this.
    I used folders named with unicode symbols so that they took up little space on the taskbar.




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  6. #16


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    Windows 8.1 + StartIsBack + AeroGlass


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post

    And where, pray tell, in Windows 7 does it list recently accessed documents in the start menu? Certainly not in the start menu. It's called RECENT PROGRAMS list for a reason.
    .
    Just try asking Google

    Where in Windows 7 can I find the recent items menu&#63; - Microsoft Community

    I'm not necessarily against Microsoft replacing the Start menu. I'm definitely against them replacing it with a stupid, flat, touch-based UI just because they desperately need to sell tablets.
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  7. #17


    Webster NY US
    Posts : 325
    Win 7 / Win 8


    Quote Originally Posted by arachnaut View Post
    Will this work for you?

    Make a shortcut to <user folder>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent on the desktop, then right-click and 'Pin to Start'.
    I will give that a try. I think that would functionally do it, but it's likely going to be clunky. I assume the way it would work would be you click it, it opens a folder, you double click the recent item. But now you have a lingering open folder. The Windows XP/7 Recent Items in the start menu is much more elegant.
    Last edited by mbratch; 22 Jan 2013 at 08:18.
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  8. #18


    Webster NY US
    Posts : 325
    Win 7 / Win 8


    Quote Originally Posted by arachnaut View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    You may find Fences by Stardock to be quite usable then. Not only does it keep icons in nice little pens, but it also backs up their location and can restore it whenever you like. You can also add color to the fences to help you distinguish them.

    Fences - Your tool for a clean desktop

    Looks like a nice tool.
    I use Fences. I really like it. I originally installed it because I had a laptop at work running Windows XP and every time I closed the cover with the system running Windows would randomly scramble my desktop. IS couldn't figure out why. Fences fixed that problem, and turns out to be a nice way to organize the desktop. It also adjusts nicely when your monitor changes either through remote access or an external monitor connection.
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  9. #19


    Webster NY US
    Posts : 325
    Win 7 / Win 8


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mbratch View Post
    Yes, it's partly a matter of taste,
    Uhh.. ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbratch View Post
    but partly a matter of how people like to work.
    Wow, that's deep. I wonder what we might call this "how people like to work"? Hmm... Let me think about that... I'm sure it's on the tip of my tongue.. it's so close I can TASTE it....
    By "taste" versus "how one likes to work" I was distinguishing a subtle difference between the aesthetics and the actual functionality choice. Sorry that it was lost on you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    And where, pray tell, in Windows 7 does it list recently accessed documents in the start menu? Certainly not in the start menu. It's called RECENT PROGRAMS list for a reason.
    There's an option in Windows 7 to switch on the Recent Items list in the start menu. I think it existed by default in Windows XP. Note the subtlety again: it's recent ITEMS not recent PROGRAMS. So it shows a list of recently opened documents of all kinds. It's not program centric, but document centric. You should learn Windows 7. You might like it.

    BTW, I added you as the first member of my ignore list. I would be delighted if you would be so kind as to return the favor.
    Last edited by mbratch; 22 Jan 2013 at 09:36.
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  10. #20


    The thing is, when you're technically fluent and things like setting up your own custom toolbar is super easy, it's hard to relate to people who are novices or "light weight" with computers, like the elderly. I believe that there are far more novices than tech savvy folks using Windows.

    I've been using Windows operating systems for over 20 years. I'm strongly minded with tech and usually pick up most software without having to rely on a manual. But when I started using Windows 8, I began to discover how many more mouse clicks it took for me to get anywhere with configuration activities. Windows was "getting in the way", instead of enabling me to do what I want. Very little support for anyone with vast experience using the Windows Vista/7 interface paradigm.

    Here's a good example: You're on the desktop and you want to open the control panel. Where is it? Oh, I need to somehow know to move my mouse pointer to the upper right corner and wait a half second for the right side panel to slide out and present the control panel for me. You have to know it's there. Also, the upper right corner is a much greater distance to travel than the lower left, where clicking on the task bar and quick launch is a common practice. Not only that but when you click on the control panel, you're presented these generalized groupings that require you to READ them all to see what might be inside them. In the old style, you click on the control panel link and a set of quick-to-recognize icons appears, sorted alphabetically. VERY easy to use, unlike the "new" way.

    So yes, if you're prepared to learn a new way of doing things (assuming that the old way was obsolete or inefficient) and have the savvy to customize things to your liking, Windows 8 may be fine for you. But it's my belief that based on how drastic the changes were made that most people are having trouble warming up to this "duality" system. It would have made much more sense to do away with the tiles if installing on a desktop or laptop without touch screen functionality, or if you simply don't want to use it.
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