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View Poll Results: Good Start Menu Replacement and Acceptance of Windows 8

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  • Having a good start menu replacement greatly enhances my acceptance of Windows 8.

    24 44.44%
  • Having a good start menu replacement enhances my acceptance of Windows 8, but not greatly.

    7 12.96%
  • Neither of the above

    23 42.59%
  1. #31


    Webster NY US
    Posts : 325
    Win 7 / Win 8


    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    Many members who use 3rd party start menus seem to be doing so for speed & productivity.
    Lets say we want to open Wordpad.
    Click mouse on start button, click All programs, click on Accessories, click on Wordpad

    Does anyone really believe that is faster than while keeping hand on mouse
    Press Window key with other hand, press W key, press the enter key or click mouse on Wordpad tile.

    I've been saving time since vista using the widow key & typing letter(s) of program or file
    If I were using Wordpad that much, I'd pin it to the start menu, the task bar, or have an icon on my desktop for it. A prime candidate to pin to a Windows 8 Start screen if I were using the Metro UI for other reasons.

    There are functions that the desktop start menu gives you quickly that I haven't found in Windows 8, such as Recent Items. Two clicks, and you have a list of most recent opened documents. I find this quite handy. I don't know if anyone's gone through the start menu to ferret out each piece of functionality and compare each with how it's done in Windows 8. Some things are just as quick in either case, and some aren't.

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  2. #32


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I wouldn't really care for a start menu on Windows 8. These start menu replacements, I have an opinion to give.

    See, the Desktop is kind of regarded as an app more or less, it's more less than anything. To have a start menu on the Desktop UI, I believe it would make the Desktop literally a Windows 7 app on Windows 8. It makes little sense to have two UI elements when one can accomplish the goal of one and the goal of the other.

    Personally, I don't understand why for some people it's difficult to learn. When you boil it down, the Start Screen is just a king size start menu that uses larger icons than smaller detail icons. The VERY SAME functionality is there, just not seen until you mouse over to the Start corner. Yes, you need to tweak it some, but functionality is the same, except for having the power settings in the Settings charm.
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  3. #33


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    It is not difficult to learn.

    It is not the same.

    It is not as good.

    It is not to benefit the desktop user. It is to benefit MS.

    It is not hard to understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I wouldn't really care for a start menu on Windows 8. These start menu replacements, I have an opinion to give.

    See, the Desktop is kind of regarded as an app more or less, it's more less than anything. To have a start menu on the Desktop UI, I believe it would make the Desktop literally a Windows 7 app on Windows 8. It makes little sense to have two UI elements when one can accomplish the goal of one and the goal of the other.

    Personally, I don't understand why for some people it's difficult to learn. When you boil it down, the Start Screen is just a king size start menu that uses larger icons than smaller detail icons. The VERY SAME functionality is there, just not seen until you mouse over to the Start corner. Yes, you need to tweak it some, but functionality is the same, except for having the power settings in the Settings charm.
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  4. #34


    Webster NY US
    Posts : 325
    Win 7 / Win 8


    Coke, that would all make sense if the Start screen handled all the elements I use from Windows 7 and in the same way that I find convenient. But it doesn't. Perhaps it does for you, but it doesn't for me. It has nothing to do with difficulty in learning. I've been learning systems all my life and Windows 8 I find easy to learn. It just doesn't work the way I like to work. The Start screen is not just a king size start menu. It almost is, but not quite. Unless you can, for example, show me the thing to pin to the start menu that will pop up a Recent Items list, it's different. It's also a different way of organizing which not everyone has a taste for. And not everyone likes the fact that when you're working on one thing and you want to temporarily work on or access something else, the king size "Start" thing has to take over your whole screen for you to browse for what it is you want to click on. Some people like that and find it productive and I get that. It's not right or wrong, it's just not for everyone.
    Last edited by mbratch; 21 Jan 2013 at 22:07.
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  5. #35


    I voted for "Neither of the above" as I don't miss start button and got used to navigating without one.
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  6. #36


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It is not difficult to learn.
    No, it's not.

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It is not the same.
    No, it's not.

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It is not as good.
    No, it's better.

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It is not to benefit the desktop user. It is to benefit MS.
    I'm a desktop user. It's a HUGE benefit to me. Stop speaking for everyone else, your personal taste does not equal everyone elses opinion. This is the problem with you haters, you ASSUME that your opinion is everyone elses. Either that or you're being dishonest. I chose to believe the former.

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It is not hard to understand.
    Apparently it must be, because you seem totally incapable of understand its benefits to a desktop user.
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  7. #37


    Posts : 534
    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    But, I thought it would be better to have a logical flow that makes it easy to figure out how to respond. I am concerned that some may not have voted out of lack of understanding. I will add something up front to help out on this point. Best to you.
    You shouldn't have to explain or guide anyone in answering your poll, the questions should do that for you. You have two very specific questions followed by a general "catch all" question that is open to interpretation. If I were to answer yes to either the first or second question I wouldn't have to explain my answer. If I answer yes to the third question you don't know why. I could be answering because I like the Start Screen over the Start Menu, or I could be answering because whether it had a Start Menu or not I still hate Windows 8. Someone visiting the site and looking at the poll results without reading the thread is going to think it is a poll of people who hate the Start Screen. In other words it creates a bias in the results. I didn't answer the poll because my explanation for choosing the third question would not be captured correctly in the poll results, unlike the first two questions.
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  8. #38


    Madrid, Spain
    Posts : 228
    Windows 8.1 x64


    I purchased Start8 and I don't even use it anymore. It's faster for me the Metro Start Menu one although it requires some work to organize my icons. But it's just faster and more comfortable once organized, it doesn't need any accuracy on clicking.

    What I definetely miss is Aero Glass. I can't get used to these flat windows and colors. I really liked the Aero Glass and squared windows in the W8 Previews, and it also didn't have as much shadow as in W7, that was really cool visually for me. I hope someone makes some hack one day to bring it back.
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  9. #39


    Posts : 2,156
    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP


    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    Many members who use 3rd party start menus seem to be doing so for speed & productivity.
    Lets say we want to open Wordpad.
    Click mouse on start button, click All programs, click on Accessories, click on Wordpad

    Does anyone really believe that is faster than while keeping hand on mouse
    Press Window key with other hand, press W key, press the enter key or click mouse on Wordpad tile.

    I've been saving time since vista using the widow key & typing letter(s) of program or file
    I agree with what you say, but, if Wordpad is used frequently, then it can be pinned to the taskbar. Still what you say has got to be valid for some program usage for most.

    In general, some of us are more efficient users than others whether using the start menu or the start screen. I am not overly efficient so I generally don't do what you mention. In this regard, I think that there are various reasons individuals might be fans of the start menu. But, the reason I think I have seen most frequently is that using a start menu facilitates staying on the desktop--which tends to be more efficient that going back and forth between the metro area and the desktop to start new programs, access the control panel, use Network, assess Computer, etc., etc. In this regard, I choose to show all desktop icons using personalize > Change desktop icons.
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  10. #40


    Posts : 2,156
    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP


    Quote Originally Posted by kmint View Post
    I purchased Start8 and I don't even use it anymore. It's faster for me the Metro Start Menu one although it requires some work to organize my icons. But it's just faster and more comfortable once organized, it doesn't need any accuracy on clicking.

    What I definetely miss is Aero Glass. I can't get used to these flat windows and colors. I really liked the Aero Glass and squared windows in the W8 Previews, and it also didn't have as much shadow as in W7, that was really cool visually for me. I hope someone makes some hack one day to bring it back.
    I like glass, etc., too. As I recall, there is a 3rd-party app that gives glass, etc., back. Can't remember its name. I think I remember some questioning its quality in doing what it is supposed to do (could be wrong).

    Edit: Searched on "aero glass in windows 8." Found several possibilities. Here is one interesting one--no third party app required for the first possibility. Then, there is discussion of some third-party stuff that doesn't seem quite ready for prime time.
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