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Wow! From 6 years of XP to Windows 8. OS Shock. Metro Tile

  1. #11


    I don't want to get into a whole thing here but I think every answer above, bar none, was appropriate, helpful and encouraging. I know that when I first left Windows 3.1 for XP we, or I, went through the same thing. There's just little things that bug me. Like not being able to get to the Windows Update link through a browser, it sends me back to hunt for something on the local drive, another trail or icon somewhere. I like to see the names of the files to be updated, even though I don't know what most are it gives me a feeling of some control. As I see it here so far they tell you that you've got so many meg of updates and you have not choice but to install them. There just doesn't seem to be the same amount of control or input ... like they're trying to take that all away and make bots out of users. Oh well. I know that it's getting better. Thanks for each. I never did find the MAIL tile but when I added Yahoo from the store it's there. I think the original Mail Tile took me to Outlook.com ... which I hate. But there must be another way to Outlook.com "if" I wanted to go there somehow?? Thanks greatly to all. You'll be hearing from me no doubt. Seems like to notch forum and great group of folks! jack ":-D

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  2. #12


    Posts : 16
    Windows 8 Pro 64 Bit


    "Is Thunderbird a good replacement and how does that work?"

    Hi Jack,
    I've been using Thunderbird for a few years and never had a problem with it. UI is pretty strait forward and neat.
    Wish I had something positive to say about the Modern UI email app in Win 8.. But after a few hours of trying to set it up.. I uninstalled it. Does not natively work with POP3 accounts, supposedly there is a work around by linking POP3 to your Outlook.com account.. but I couldn't get the Modern email app to even connect to my Outlook.com account. So, I went back to Thunderbird and had my email up in less than 5 min.
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  3. #13


    Oregon
    Posts : 214
    Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center, Windows RT


    jackdashack: I guess my question would be, "What were you using for mail on XP?" If you were comfortable with it, look for the same program in the Windows 7 or 8 version. I'm using Outlook 2010.

    Seems to me (just my impression) that some of those who struggle with Win8 get fixated on the Start UI. For most desktop users, the desktop is where we spend most of our time and do our work. Its no different with Win8, so just click to the desktop and proceed as you did with XP going to the Start UI only as needed.

    I installed Start8 so I could get work done until I learned Win8 and the Start UI better. It helped reduce my frustration, but I have since deleted it now that I'm comfortable with the OS -- and like it.

    Good luck and be sure to get over here often. Lots of good information and help.
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  4. #14


    Thanks for that info Lilbudro!
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  5. #15


    Posts : 2,156
    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    You know, jackdashack never mentioned the Start screen, or whether or not he likes or dislikes it. So why is everyone jumping to help him change something he has not said he wants changed? It would be nice if people actually tried to help posters with the problems they ask about, rather than problems they aren't asking about.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post

    Jack, you probably did not uninstall the app, you probably just unpinned it. Right click on the start page and choose "All Apps", if it's in that list, right click on it and choose "Pin to start".

    Yes, the new "Modern" mail apps from various vendors tend to be pretty basic, but give it time.. they will get better. Having said that, you can always still use your browser to access these services.


    Jack started with "
    Where do I start?" (sounds like statement of a problem to me) Then, he said "I still love XP but I guess since I've been purchasing computers since 1988 I should have learned nothing is static about computers." So, I encouraged him to begin with 8 by emphasizing what he knows already.

    I said: "Begin by focusing on using the desktop much like in XP. You'll pick up on the metro stuff, which is very underwhelming, along the way. You can do anything of significance from the desktop."

    Later, I supported the idea that an add-on start menu for the desktop (including the "make your own" type) could be useful in focusing on the desktop and getting into 8 by emphasizing what he already knows.

    So, I, for one, did not jump
    "to help him change something he has not said he wants changed," including the start screen in particular. Others will have to speak for themselves on this matter.

    Note that I also suggested that using the "make your own approach" could help him become more familiar with metro (and implicitly the start menu) as follows:

    "Yes OP, get one of these (my preference would be for Start8 also) or "make your own" "start menu" by making a shortcuts tool bar in the task bar. By doing so, you'll learn to make shortcuts and pin things to the task bar by right clicking on apps shown in metro, etc. Creating shortcuts and pinning to the task bar, for the things you want to use often, is a good familiarization procedure. I use the "make your own" approach. After you fool with this approach, including expanding on your right-click context menu, etc., you'll have little reason to install a third-party start menu--which is the easier and faster approach though."
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  6. #16


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by jackdashack View Post
    There's just little things that bug me. Like not being able to get to the Windows Update link through a browser, it sends me back to hunt for something on the local drive, another trail or icon somewhere. I like to see the names of the files to be updated, even though I don't know what most are it gives me a feeling of some control. As I see it here so far they tell you that you've got so many meg of updates and you have not choice but to install them.
    Microsoft has not supported web-based Windows update since Windows Vista. The primary reason for this was that there was a lot of malware out there designed to take over control of DNS servers and fool users into thinking they were updating from Microsoft, but were instead updating from infected third party servers.

    You can still see the names of the files to update, however you need to use the Windows Update that's in control panel to do so, not the one in the Metro Settings panel. If you right click on an update you can choose View Details and it gives you more information, including links to the advisories and what not.

    You can go to outlook.com by opening a browser window and typing outlook.com into it. And no, the mail tile did not bring you to outlook.com, it brought you to the mail app.
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  7. #17


    Posts : 11
    win 8


    Second attempt to add comments. Got lost last time when I went to the main or home screen

    Purchased Acer Aspire touch screen with Win 8 installed. No additional software so far.

    Just for the record I hate Win 8 and would not recommend it. Terrible UI, not at all intuitive.

    I have great difficulty with the email side. I do not understand how it works and why some things happen. Yes I have a live account, one for both of us (2 users).
    I get totally different Inbox emails depending on how I get into email. The one that shows the largest number of emails in the Inbox is from the Deskop and selecting the email icon lower left task bar. Selecting email from the Start sceen large email icon only some emails are listed, selecting email from Live Carole (one of the live accounts) the list in the inbox is similar but not exact.

    Very frustrating.
    Closing a web page is impossible
    Closing the camera (accidentally opened) is impossible
    What used to be a simple task is now complicated. Have to post on here for everything.
    Oh yes, searching on thre Help icon or "turn off camera" brings up 60 suggestions, not of them helpful.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I think you are dealing with OEM installed software. There is no email icon on the desktop in Windows 8. If there is on your computer, it must have been installed by your OEM.

    If you are seeing different emails, then it is likely that they are different email accounts. I have no idea what Live Carole is, as that's not anything that's included in the OS either.

    Closing web pages, or the camera or anything else very simple, and there are multiple ways to do it.

    1) Alt-F4 works as it always has in Windows.
    2) Move the mouse cursor to the top of the window until it turns into a "hand" icon, click and drag it down to the bottom of the screen. Since you have a touchscreen, you can also swipe from the top of the screen to the bottom.
    3) With the mouse, move to the top left corner of the screen, then there will be a list of tasks. Right click on any of them and choose close. You can also swipe to bring up the tasklist, but don't remember the gesture.

    I suggest you watch this video, it should give you everything you need.

    The Missing Windows 8 Instructional Video - Scott Hanselman
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  9. #19


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    Quote Originally Posted by JerBru View Post
    Second attempt to add comments. Got lost last time when I went to the main or home screen

    Purchased Acer Aspire touch screen with Win 8 installed. No additional software so far.

    Just for the record I hate Win 8 and would not recommend it. Terrible UI, not at all intuitive.

    I have great difficulty with the email side. I do not understand how it works and why some things happen. Yes I have a live account, one for both of us (2 users).
    I get totally different Inbox emails depending on how I get into email. The one that shows the largest number of emails in the Inbox is from the Deskop and selecting the email icon lower left task bar. Selecting email from the Start sceen large email icon only some emails are listed, selecting email from Live Carole (one of the live accounts) the list in the inbox is similar but not exact.

    Very frustrating.
    Closing a web page is impossible
    Closing the camera (accidentally opened) is impossible
    What used to be a simple task is now complicated. Have to post on here for everything.
    Oh yes, searching on thre Help icon or "turn off camera" brings up 60 suggestions, not of them helpful.
    I have several posts on this thread. Please read them in order. They emphasize starting with something you probably are used to more or less--using the desktop. You use it much the same way you would in any other Windows version. You can, among other ways, move back and forth between the new part of Windows (often referred to as metro) and the desktop by pressing the Windows key and D (for desktop) at the same time.
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