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What's the point of PAYING for WMC

  1. #21


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    WMC vs MPC-HC vs VLC


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    WMC is the only player that effectively shows broadcast TV through my USB tuner. The software provided by the tuner manufacturer is rubbish and I haven't found anything else that will do the job. VLC is supposed to be able to do this, but for the life of me, I can't get it to work.
    On my PC, WMC is able to automatically locate more DTV channels, than MPC-HC and VLC can.

    I don't use WMC, because I don't like how many services it starts.

    VLC works with these settings on my PC.

    Click image for larger version

    Here is my DTV playlist for Adelaide channels (the zip file contains an xspf file).
    VLC-2 DTV Channels (2012-12-17).zip
    You may have to manually edit the frequency settings in that playlist (depending on where you live).

    Here is a DTV Channel guide (IMO, it is a poorly designed document).
    DTV Channels.pdf

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  2. #22


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
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    On my PC, WMC is able to automatically locate more DTV channels, than MPC-HC and VLC can.

    I don't use WMC, because I don't like how many services it starts.

    VLC works with these settings on my PC.
    Click image for larger version

    Here is my DTV playlist for Adelaide channels (the zip file contains an xspf file).
    VLC-2 DTV Channels (2012-12-17).zip
    You may have to manually edit the frequency settings in that playlist (depending on where you live).

    Here is a DTV Channel guide (IMO, it is a poorly designed document).
    DTV Channels.pdf
    I don't particularly like WMC, but as I said, it's the only one I can get to show broadcast TV. I've done a lot of searching on how to set things up with VLC, but everything that I've tried has failed. It doesn't have any auto detect feature and it's complete hit or miss with every variable.
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  3. #23


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    How do you use VLC player for digital TV steaming? I can't for the life of me figure it out!
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  4. #24


    WMC is still free till the end of the month and as far as I'm concerned nothing else "especially no App" can touch it.

    I don't even use the TV tuner and it still rocks.

    I can stream to 8 machines at the same time, 3 wireless and 5 wired machines, the same movie at nearly the same frame, all from a single Library and it still works flawlessly.

    Also the remote control feature for WMC is the best thing ever.

    Not to mention it's integration with Xbox plus endless other stuff it can do like Netflix streaming and other online streaming options.
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  5. #25


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Media Center reminds me of a vestige of old by-gone days where it was presumed that the desktop PC would be the forefront and center of the home entertainment setup in the future which would be around today, the PC was to be the media center. It can do lots of things real well, but it was never really adopted as it was never used as most people never really know about it. This is especially true since at that time way long ago, itunes was starting to become the default program that people used along with Windows Media Player and others, and the Xbox 360 wasn't released until 2005 to take real advantage of Media Center, by which time the ipod and itunes was the center of media entertainment.

    Rather sad....

    Now, instead of Windows Media Center, it's now shifting to Xbox Music.
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  6. #26


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    I'm not sure if WMC supplies any meaningful function these days - especially if you have to pay for it.

    It won't play normal commercial DVD's, and for things like TV you don't need tuners etc any more --broadband these days is fast enough.

    recently I was in LA and via a proxy was watching a live "footie" (Soccer) stream from the UK -- Internet even in the hotel on Wireless was perfectly fast enough for the video stream-- not even using the Hotel's Hi-Speed Lan - couldn't find a simple thing like a piece of Lan cable in W. Hollywood any more !!! Quality was fine for watching the game on the laptop --which I outputted to the Hotel bedroom's TV -- nice Samsung LCD -- well done W.,Hollywood hotels - far cheaper than downtown LA, (short bus ride to Santa Monica beach and Venice Blvd --also a great experience) and far more interesting than downtown LA.

    Internet speed will not really be a limiting factor any more.

    So can anyone tell me what do you use WMC for or are you installing it just because at the moment "It's there and free".

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Just came back from Las Vegas and Santa Monica, every time I go to Venice Beach, and Muscle Beach, I see the same 80 year old guy there and he's always on his own. I think it could be Arnold Zwarzenneger.

    I mainly use WMC for music, it looks really great on a large TV. for movies I use XBMC, absolute best.
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  7. #27


    Posts : 1,127
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    the ipod and itunes was the center of media entertainment.

    Rather sad....

    Now, instead of Windows Media Center, it's now shifting to Xbox Music.
    you're comparing apples to oranges. no one can use iTunes to do what WMC does. iTunes has no remote control support. it cannot run applets. it has no tuner support. it has no recording support. it has no Netflix support.

    You can build an HTPC solely for media consumption in the living room with WMC and never see Windows or any operating system in the process, functioning like any other home entertainment system like your audio receiver or BluRay player or whatever. Your wife can be watching her shows and browsing channels and thinking that there's no PC there. Just an amped up cable box.

    In fact, for the AV enthusiast, many of them have a PC dedicated to being their cable box with WMC as the center of that universe. And many in fact set up WMC so that the user is never exposed to the operating system.

    iTunes is probably the most inefficiently written piece of software in the world. you look up bloat and the first entry is iTunes. it's a glorified WinAmp or Windows Media Player and the only reason they use it is because Apple products force them to use it.

    at least Xbox Music has streaming like Spotify. But again, there's no reason to compare Xbox Music to WMC because it has none of WMC's features either.
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  8. #28


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyvu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    the ipod and itunes was the center of media entertainment.

    Rather sad....

    Now, instead of Windows Media Center, it's now shifting to Xbox Music.
    you're comparing apples to oranges. no one can use iTunes to do what WMC does. iTunes has no remote control support. it cannot run applets. it has no tuner support. it has no recording support. it has no Netflix support.

    You can build an HTPC solely for media consumption in the living room with WMC and never see Windows or any operating system in the process, functioning like any other home entertainment system like your audio receiver or BluRay player or whatever. Your wife can be watching her shows and browsing channels and thinking that there's no PC there. Just an amped up cable box.

    In fact, for the AV enthusiast, many of them have a PC dedicated to being their cable box with WMC as the center of that universe. And many in fact set up WMC so that the user is never exposed to the operating system.

    iTunes is probably the most inefficiently written piece of software in the world. you look up bloat and the first entry is iTunes. it's a glorified WinAmp or Windows Media Player and the only reason they use it is because Apple products force them to use it.

    at least Xbox Music has streaming like Spotify. But again, there's no reason to compare Xbox Music to WMC because it has none of WMC's features either.
    There's a reason why I said MOST people, not all, don't use Media Center. There are that do. But then again, if it was such a commonly used featured and everyone used, why was it taken out as a feature in Windows 8? Literally almost no one was using it for more than five minutes at a time. After that it wasn't accessed. The people that use Media Center, great for them! They know their stuff. For everyone else, it's usually itunes. I'm not glorifying itunes ESPECIALLY version 11, as it's abhorrent ugly grey crap that has little place being on Windows. But since everyone and their mother uses an iphone or ipod, music listening, video watching, media downloading isn't done on Media Center, it's done on itunes. As everyone uses Windows and some iDevice, itunes becomes kind of obvious to use.

    I would had wished Microsoft had done more with Media Center and made it a better feature for Windows, maybe even taking it to the Windows 8 app level with serious functionality but they didn't for different and obvious reasons. It's interesting, at one time the desktop PC was to be the center of a media center in a home, it's actually gone now to the Xbox. The Xbox is being used more commonly for a home's theater setup for video, music, and entertainment in general. Reasoning being is other than the content, many people have decent TVs and sound systems hooked up whereas their PC's speakers are probably iffy.
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  9. #29


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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyvu View Post
    no one can use iTunes to do what WMC does. iTunes has no remote control support. it cannot run applets. it has no tuner support. it has no recording support. it has no Netflix support.
    You'd use an Apple TV for Netflix, and you'd use its remote to control iTunes for music, video, etc, or you'd use the Remote App on an iOS device to control iTunes. The 1' interface is great for music on my Touch, and it's better than any 10' interface using a standard remote. I talked more about what's possible here in my earlier message in this thread.

    iTunes is probably the most inefficiently written piece of software in the world. you look up bloat and the first entry is iTunes. it's a glorified WinAmp or Windows Media Player and the only reason they use it is because Apple products force them to use it.
    Well, no. For a somewhat detailed discussion of iTunes vs Microsoft junkware for music, see my posts:

    Microsoft is killing off the Zune and Windows Live brands in Windows 8

    Microsoft is killing off the Zune and Windows Live brands in Windows 8

    Apple has actually made iTunes 11 faster than 10, which was no slouch, and improved it in various ways. As for Xbox Music, it's even more horrible than anything Microsoft has done before:

    Xbox Music Painful

    Except for the Media Center DVR and especially its CableCard capabilities, Microsoft is irrelevant for multimedia, as there are far better programs available for everything else, like I described in my earlier message in this thread. The only other reason to use Media Center is for the extender capability, but even then, I'd use it just for Recorded TV. Like I said in my earlier message, I wouldn't let Media Center and the underlying Media Player anywhere near my music collection. Besides iTunes and Apple TV and Remote App on iOS devices, various boxes support Plex and XBMC, or NAS or other dedicated storage such as USB drives, and they would be worth looking into if you have a lot of ripped video to play. I wish there was one box that does everything, but so far, it doesn't exist. Maybe the Ceton Echo can grow into it, but that remains to be seen.
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  10. #30


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    I've just recently started using Media Center in Windows 7. I suffer from chronic back pain and often rest in bed for relief. My spare PC is in my bedroom so I have some tunes to listen too. When the TV in that room died I tried putting a TV Tuner card in that PC so it could do double duty. I have to say I like being able to switch from watching TV to watching videos to listening to music with the remote. In the past I'd have to do it with my wireless keyboard/trackpad. or actually get up and use the trackball. I only briefly used the Media Center in Windows 8 so I'm not sure if one differs much if at all from the other. Would I want MC for Windows 8? Yes I it would be something I'd like to have, at least on a PC in that room. Would I pay for it in Windows 8? I'm not sure? If I had to I guess? I'll likely never put Windows 8 on that PC again so it won't be a concern until I have to replace it. I'm happy its a free be in Windows 7 though. I never would have paid just to try it out.
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