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CES 2013: Industry Source -- More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusia

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    CES 2013: Industry Source -- More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusia


    DailyTech - CES 2013: Industry Source -- More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8


    "But the numbers are troubling. Despite Microsoft playing
    an interesting licensing sales gameselling a deluge of licenses to OEMs at a rate that would indicate Windows 8 to be outselling Windows 7, the usage numbers indicate that OEMs are only moving a fraction of those licenses. Windows 8 is only drawing around a tenth of the internet traffic Windows 7 did at a similar point in the adoption cycle; in fact Windows 8 trails Windows Vista in internet traffic."

    one tenth the internet traffic of w7 sure stands out

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    Quote Originally Posted by DooRules View Post
    DailyTech - CES 2013: Industry Source -- More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8


    "But the numbers are troubling. Despite Microsoft playing
    an interesting licensing sales gameselling a deluge of licenses to OEMs at a rate that would indicate Windows 8 to be outselling Windows 7, the usage numbers indicate that OEMs are only moving a fraction of those licenses. Windows 8 is only drawing around a tenth of the internet traffic Windows 7 did at a similar point in the adoption cycle; in fact Windows 8 trails Windows Vista in internet traffic."

    one tenth the internet traffic of w7 sure stands out
    Hi Doorules

    One really needs to understand what these Statistics are really telling you.

    When W7 came out things like smartphones were relatively new and for Internet, Chat, email, etc one ALWAYS used a laptop or desktop computer.

    Now we use a variety of devices -- sometimes people can go for WEEKS without going near a PC. Their phones provide all the communication they need.

    Not only that recent hardware is so much more powerful and reliable that it doesn't need upgrading or changing very often anymore -- and todays economic situation makes people really THINK if they NEED to upgrade before buying a new PC.

    This of course alters the whole base line on which data should be presented. - For all GOOD reasons the numbers of PC's being sold today is falling and will continue to fall --although PC's for the foreseeable future won't be obsolete.

    As a consequence any measure of W8 sales compared with W7 sales is totally inaccurate -- and also mis-leading.

    W8 will make its numbers up in mobile devices (not recorded as separate Windows sales) so you can forget the PC count compared with W7.

    Most "normal" casual users I've met actually quite like Windows 8 -- so it's not an inherent problem with Windows 8 itself.
    These sort of users don't go to CES or hang around on Windows forums . The people who seem to hate W8 the most in my experience are power users or I.T service guys. The "Casual" user quite likes it from my own personal experiences.

    Corporations also are just basically starting to get rid of XP by switching to W7 --no way will they do another major conversion any time soon either. W8 was too new for any of these large companies to switch to whereas W7 had been out for a few years and had proved is track record in stability.

    There are too many Doom sayers it appears to me on this Forum -- OK if you really BELIEVE Ms is doomed to join those other great "Corporations in the Sky" but PLEASE BASE IT ON SENSIBLE AND VALID DATA.

    Some of the analysis I've seen on these forums (both W8 and W7) is about as meaningful as appliying complex statistical formula to a set of data just containing ONE observation !!.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Most if not all "normal" users I know will not go near it. Tried to get some of my clan members to give it a go, not a single one even wants to try it. I can see trying it and then deciding you do not like it but it is a challenge just to get beyond word of mouth now.

    I would think that the metric given, internet traffic would be easily measured no matter the device. So under your assumptions the traffic should be vastly more because of all the mobile devices in place now. But that apparently isn't the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DooRules View Post
    Most if not all "normal" users I know will not go near it. Tried to get some of my clan members to give it a go, not a single one even wants to try it. I can see trying it and then deciding you do not like it but it is a challenge just to get beyond word of mouth now.

    I would think that the metric given, internet traffic would be easily measured no matter the device. So under your assumptions the traffic should be vastly more because of all the mobile devices in place now. But that apparently isn't the case.
    Hi there
    Mobile users are on a whole slew of connections --Android, Windows, Apple -- to say nothing of actual mobile phone connections so it's not easy or even valid to measure "Internet traffic" based on pure Wi-Fi connections of the phone. Also a lot of these might be in places like Bars with free Wi-Fi or public Wi-Fi providers offering a Wi-Fi by subscription service.

    Most of the current "Windows" phones won't record this as Windows 8 traffic --these are older "Windows Mobile" phones based on W7.
    The newer windows phones coming on stream will alter this eventually.

    Also when you use something like B.T FON it acts basically as a Proxy and statistics saying what browser / what O/S etc are often masked so the actual stats are also totally misleading.

    I'll bet even on your home computer you can tell it to transmit a different browser name or even OS identifier to any site you log on to --also invalidating the collection statistics.

    Some W7 drivers can be made to work on W8 by simply "poodlefaking" the check on what version of the OS you are running. - so it's easy to hide / change the apparent OS you appear to be using when logged on to the Internet in any case.

    I have to say that my experience seems to indicate that people I know LIKE windows 8 -- your circle of colleagues obviously are different from mine so I can't comment on that.

    I will however re-iterate that "normal users" aren't the sort of people who go to events like CES and it seems that I.T people and power users are less pleased with W8 than the vast majority of "typical Mum and Pop" type users.

    Note --you need to SHOW them a working W8 computer and let them play with it a bit -- no good telling them to TRY it first on their own machines

    --just look how difficult it is to get people to CHANGE Bank accounts, Car insurance companies or even Energy suppliers - when with a simple mouse click they can save often up to several hundred EUR / GBP / AUS / USD etc. a year. You need to actually hand them a working W8 machine for them SEE it and "have a Go" with it.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    I don't know about the validity of that statistic...

    Windows 8 is currently being adopted by Steam gamers has is going to surpass vista usage next month. I'd consider gamers "enthusiasts." IT people on the other hand.....
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    Among my circle of friends, coworkers and family...it's more like 3.95 out of 4 are rejecting 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DooRules View Post
    I would think that the metric given, internet traffic would be easily measured no matter the device.
    I think the point jimbo45 was making is that when Win7 was introduced, most people accessed the Internet using a Windows or Apple OS based desktop or laptop. That is not the case at all today. For example, more than half my Internet actively is from my Android based Nexus 7. Only the remaining is from my Windows 8 system.

    So when someone says that "windows 8 is only drawing around a tenth of the internet traffic Windows 7 did at a similar point in the adoption cycle," they aren't taking into account the changed environment. Therefore it is an invalid comparison.

    Now what I'm not attempting to argue is that Windows 8 is a great success, but that the Internet traffic stats between Win7 and Win8 aren't a good way to make the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmeigs View Post
    So when someone says that "windows 8 is only drawing around a tenth of the internet traffic Windows 7 did at a similar point in the adoption cycle," they aren't taking into account the changed environment. Therefore it is an invalid comparison.
    That's the problem with all these tech bloggers or the so called experts, they don't take into account that the environment has changed. The popular one that surfaces all the time is 'PC sales still dropping despite Windows 8', which is rather obvious given how things have changed. Consumers are no longer buying new PC's just to get on the internet, use email and consume data, there are better devices for that. Yet they love report that so they can slam MS. You never hear 'Mac OSX still only 6% of world OS population even after 12 years', I would think that to be a major failure...but Apple can do no wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Among my circle of friends, coworkers and family...it's more like 3.95 out of 4 are rejecting 8.
    Yes, of course they do. And I'm sure that has NOTHING to do with you telling them how much it sucks all the time... nah.. i'm sure that has nothing to do with it.

    Our friends and family look to us for our opinions on technology, and how we present it to them greatly affects how they perceive it. This was, at least in part, some of the reason for Vista's problems. Techies decided they didn't like it, and they told everyone they could how terrible it was. This was evidenced by the Project Mojave experiment.
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    The only opinion that has depth to me is the opinion of the common consumer of technology. That's who REALLY is at the center of the debate. From my personal experience, that is outweighing what any "expert" has to say about Windows 8 as everyone that I've rolled it out on to is satisfied with it.
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