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  1. #81


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by steveb View Post
    Simple answer there is never any need or point to use a Metro app!
    On a desktop system that's pretty true. I originally installed Win8 Pro so I could keep tabs on what's going on with it as a developer. I do "play" with some Metro apps and have my Start Screen organized the way I want it but I stay in the desktop most of the time. Once settled down the system works just fine. The "Metro" apps are for touch screens.

    However ... having said that, sometimes a full screen news reader is nice - and it does play a nice game of solitaire.

    -Max

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  2. #82


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Just because I don't think that Windows 8 is a run-away hit, doesn't mean that I want to see MS fail. But I sure would be happier with a few changes to Windows 8 without having to resort to third party "hacks".
    Windows has always been improved with 3rd-party hacks. This is nothing new. I wouldn't say it's something to be irritated about. I spent a whopping $5 on Start8 to get the start menu back onto my desktop. Big hairy deal.

    -Max
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  3. #83


    UK
    Posts : 177
    Win 8


    OK I have to admi6t I did install solitaire metro app, but only because windows got rid of the desktop games there is a hack to get them back).
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  4. #84


    Backgammon Pro is pretty nice. You can pay for the "premium" (no ads) version but after a point you ignore the ads anyway and they don't interfere with the game.

    The Microsoft Store offers a lot of apps, many of them free. I haven't installed very many but there is certainly something for everyone, and they're adding more all the time.
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  5. #85


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by TerryE View Post
    Backgammon Pro is pretty nice. You can pay for the "premium" (no ads) version but after a point you ignore the ads anyway and they don't interfere with the game.
    LOL

    Most of the free apps I have say this: get the premium version without adds.

    But I don't see any ads because pc is offline. Ha ha.

    Who care about the adds. If I really like the program I'm using it anyway. If I hate the ads more than I like the app, then the app goes.

    Keep it simple.
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  6. #86


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    You see that's where you people are wrong, the desktop is fading away and Microsoft knows it, I could have told you two years ago. It's not going to fade out overnight but it's dying, the new generation doesn't want them or need them, you can do most things on a tablet in the comfort of your lounge or on a train.
    There are quite a few things that I can do on my tablet. However, there are also lots of things that aren't ideal (typing, gaming, upgrading, modifying, etc).

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I can do most things on my Android phone, I can book a plane, I can book a hotel, I can use it as a Navigator and I can play Angry Birds.
    For simple and basic web tasks, I can use my phone too. However, it's not always a pleasant experience. Take this post for example, I'm doing multi-quotes. This is a nightmare of cutting and pasting on my Samsung Galaxy S3...but on my PC with Cut and Paste and a mouse, it's simple. Then, there is the constant aggravation of typing on a touchscreen keyboard that is auto-correcting to the wrong word. And then the multi-menu system I have to jump through to get to symbols and numbers and special characters that I use on my keyboard. With the speed I can type on a real full size keyboard, I'd bet I'm at least 10x faster when using my PC over my smartphone.

    There are lots of things that I still do regularly, which I don't do on my smartphone or tablet. Rip music or movies, mix audio, re-encode video files from my HD camcorder, play video games like Call of Duty, Diablo 3, etc. Run virtual machines for testing and experimenting on work projects.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Oh, and the main reason I use my computer much more is because Windows 8 boots up almost immediately like my iPad, with Windows 7 I just couldn't be bothered waiting, and everything is a lot faster.
    I've been running an SSD under Windows 7 so it's pretty darn fast. Also, I tend to test a ton in virtual machines, so I don't load much at all to my Windows 7 host. Lots of people install tons of stuff and really gum up their computers. A clean load of Windows 7 and a clean load of Windows 8 provide reasonably close performance. Windows 8 certainly gets to the logon screen and desktop faster, but is still loading quite a lot and getting the system ready in the background. Once booted, I see very little difference between the two systems when they are clean installs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Windows has always been improved with 3rd-party hacks. This is nothing new. I wouldn't say it's something to be irritated about. I spent a whopping $5 on Start8 to get the start menu back onto my desktop. Big hairy deal.

    -Max
    It's not the cost that bugs me. And some 3rd party tools do improve efficiency with no lack of stability. But there are also many instances where some of these 3rd party tools wreak havoc on a system or cause mysterious issues that otherwise might not exist. It's no real different than some of the web browser toolbars and such. Get a bad one and you browser almost dies. it's just a personal preference of mine to not resort to these types of tools unless absolutely necessary.
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  7. #87


    Madrid, Spain
    Posts : 228
    Windows 8.1 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TerryE View Post
    Backgammon Pro is pretty nice. You can pay for the "premium" (no ads) version but after a point you ignore the ads anyway and they don't interfere with the game.
    LOL

    Most of the free apps I have say this: get the premium version without adds.

    But I don't see any ads because pc is offline. Ha ha.

    Who care about the adds. If I really like the program I'm using it anyway. If I hate the ads more than I like the app, then the app goes.

    Keep it simple.
    Ads are awful. Actually I have wondered many times if being so awful, annoying and intrusive is really benefitial or makes people actually hate the brand and the company.

    I wonder if displaying more elegant, less intrusive and annoying ads would actually get better results.
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  8. #88


    Quote Originally Posted by kmint View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TerryE View Post
    Backgammon Pro is pretty nice. You can pay for the "premium" (no ads) version but after a point you ignore the ads anyway and they don't interfere with the game.
    LOL

    Most of the free apps I have say this: get the premium version without adds.

    But I don't see any ads because pc is offline. Ha ha.

    Who care about the adds. If I really like the program I'm using it anyway. If I hate the ads more than I like the app, then the app goes.

    Keep it simple.
    Ads are awful. Actually I have wondered many times if being so awful, annoying and intrusive is really benefitial or makes people actually hate the brand and the company.

    I wonder if displaying more elegant, less intrusive and annoying ads would actually get better results.
    I wonder if the manufacture realizes that some of the ads are a put off for there products. With DVRs most ads are not even watched. I saw an ad for Windows 8 on TV last night that really did not look like an add they were using a RT pad in the program she did very little with it it showed her bringing up APPs. That is the first ad I have seen that did not depict it as a TOY.
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  9. #89


    Posts : 1,127
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    [QUOTE=pparks1;174057]
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I've been running an SSD under Windows 7 so it's pretty darn fast. Also, I tend to test a ton in virtual machines, so I don't load much at all to my Windows 7 host. Lots of people install tons of stuff and really gum up their computers. A clean load of Windows 7 and a clean load of Windows 8 provide reasonably close performance. Windows 8 certainly gets to the logon screen and desktop faster, but is still loading quite a lot and getting the system ready in the background. Once booted, I see very little difference between the two systems when they are clean installs.
    this was the biggest benefit of Windows 8 to me. I remember Windows XP and how nightmarish boot times and restart times were. I could go make breakfast while it was still loading. Even with barely any programs installed.

    Then Windows 7 was great. Loaded much faster. But it was partly an illusion especially when you had a realistic amount of programs installed. While it would get you to the desktop fairly quickly, it kept loading and loading. I'd be sitting at the desktop and tons of stuff was still loading in, making the whole system feel sluggish. Only an SSD could save the situation.

    But Windows 8, man, boot times and restart times are amazing. I get to the desktop (and a done desktop at that) much more quickly than Windows 7 ever did. Even with a HDD, Windows 8 boots quickly. And with an SSD, it's near tablet speed even with a bunch of programs installed. As soon as I'm at the desktop, I can get right into things instead of give the system time to load up stuff.
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  10. #90


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    You see that's where you people are wrong, the desktop is fading away and Microsoft knows it, I could have told you two years ago. It's not going to fade out overnight but it's dying, the new generation doesn't want them or need them, you can do most things on a tablet in the comfort of your lounge or on a train.
    Bill, the desktop isn't fading away - it's simply becoming part of a larger ecosystem. The explosion of mobile computing hasn't made the desktop irrelevant nor will it any time soon. Try word-processing, software development, CAD, web page development, advanced photography, process control (need I go on?) on a tablet interface. I have a fairly advanced Office productivity suite on my iPad. As slick as it is, doing documentation of any size is painful. You are painting this with a brush that only sees things from your viewpoint. Walk into any corporate office and you'll see only desktop systems. OTOH, walk into an Apple store and you'll see a mix of devices desktop and tablet. Yes, the ratio of devices is changing but you're not going to see the desktop go away no matter how badly you might want it to.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    These changes by Microsoft are not too soon, they're almost too late, if not too late. In ten years time Microsoft would have been dead for about 6 or 7 years. I can do most things on my Android phone, I can book a plane, I can book a hotel, I can use it as a Navigator and I can play Angry Birds.
    Once again, you're speaking from the narrow viewpoint of a mobile user. Microsoft would not have been "dead" ... their presence in the enterprise market is incredibly deep. Let's try to stop speaking in absolutes around here, shall we?

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I personally use my tablets and phone much more than I use my PC, the only reason I now use my computer a lot more is because of Windows 8. I want Microsoft to succeed so that I can use a full blown OS in the comfort of my armchair or when I'm out travelling. I'll probably have a PC for a few more years but I doubt over four. Even my HTPC is getting less work because of all the different ways you can get and watch movies.
    Again, that's the way you see it. I can cancel your vote out by my usage patterns. As a software developer I still spend 80% or more of my time on my desktop replacement machine. Yes, I use an iPhone and an iPad for many things but I wouldn't attempt to use those devices for many, many things. I couldn't ever see trying to develop software on a tablet. Nor would I do flight simulation or high-end video processing or ... (list abbreviated for time sake).

    -Max
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