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  1. #101


    West Sussex, UK
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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 bit w/Media Center


    Just FYI, I recall seeing a recent mention of a you tube video about getting a Start Button on win 8 by means of a registry edit. Didn't follow up as I have to build a new pc before I adopt win 8. Try appropriately googling a question.
    Pedro

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  2. #102


    Quote Originally Posted by pedro38 View Post
    Just FYI, I recall seeing a recent mention of a you tube video about getting a Start Button on win 8 by means of a registry edit. Didn't follow up as I have to build a new pc before I adopt win 8. Try appropriately googling a question.
    Pedro
    Microsoft removed that hack.
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  3. #103


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    What do you need a Start button for?

    The only start button you need is the one on your computer.
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  4. #104


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I don't think that's true of pparks1 at all -- I'm sure he knows how to operate more different types of OS'es than the number of hot dinners most people have ever eaten in their lives.
    I should rephrase that.

    "You hate Windows 8 because you didn't know how to use it, and that made you feel embarrassed."

    What I see happening is people not knowing how to use it, and they get frustrated and decide they hate it. This is even worse with techies, because their ego is invested in their technical skill.

    Even if they subsequently learn how to use it, that first impression and feeling of embarrassment about being technically incompetent with it prevails, and they find other excuses to back up their first impression.

    I've read many cases where someone is bashing Windows 8 for this reason and that reason, but at some point they admit to having been embarrassed in front of a client or friend because they asked them for help with Windows 8, and they fumbled around with it and were lost. Maybe not everyone has had that experience, but I find that people who are open minded take to Windows 8. It's only people that make snap judgments about it who seem to persist, continually trying to find reasons to justify their dislike.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    1) The whole idea of totally full screen mode by default for new apps (Metro UI stuff) - especially if you are using very large monitors, multiple monitors or a combination of both. Most Office type power users usually have many windows open at the same time -- typical examples would be translating documents from one language into two or more different languages, incorporating data from several documents into a new spread sheet / presentation, simply comparing documents, or preparing high quality photos / images for pre-press using Photoshop where you could have several layers -- especially if using CYMK for the press submission.
    This is something you don't need to use, and can completely ignore. Yet they keep harping about it as if they're forced to use it. They're not. You're not. This is something you keep acting like, and it's very old. You don't have to use metro. You know that, but yet you keep pretending otherwise, just so you have something to complain about. Why? What drives you to make these illogical arguments that are not based in reality?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    2) The lack of any sort of hierarchical structure to be able to quickly access applications that are sub functions or sub-sub functions or even sub sub sub functions of the main application. - Scrolling endlessly horizontally isn't a good way to work efficiently -- and you can't always pin everything to the task bar or desktop -- particularly if you do a lot of photoshop where a basic plain grey background is probably the best place to start from.
    Which of course is also optional, because there are tons of third party start menu replacements.

    But be that as it may, tile groups make it effectively hierarchical. Search makes finding things instantaneous. Contextual Zooming allows for collapsing groups. It has plenty of ways to organize things. Hell, you can use something like Fences. There are plenty of third party app launchers. This is such an amazingly stupid thing to get hung up on, and to devote so much hatred towards. Your choices are endless.
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  5. #105


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyvu View Post
    as for phillipduran and people like him, they can keep climbing every soapbox, trying to keep things the same. but things will change regardless. and that's where entrepreneurs will make their niche market and business. for those that want the Windows 7 style start menu, they can buy those programs. for people that want to have OSX style launchers, they can buy those programs. or better yet, if you don't want to change, then don't upgrade. Windows 7 is still great so you can stay with what you're used to.

    But you don't need to try to teach people that Windows 8 is bad because you want to hold on to what you have. And if it's your choice not to upgrade, there's no reason to try to tell people not to upgrade either. It's like when music CD's were dying and people were lambasting the poor quality of digital music, that uncompressed audio CDs had much better quality, etc. etc. that people shouldn't be moving to digital music. or when records went on to CD's, how CDs didn't have the nuance of records and poorer sound quality.

    things move on. it's not your job to try to stop things. but yet there are those audiophiles that feel the need to go into every digital media forum and say how music has suffered because of the digital era all the time. as if they're complaining will somehow keep things from changing.

    I know part of the reason why people are trying to keep things from moving forward is they feel like they are being forced to move forward. but there's nothing you can do about it. and it does kind of suck to have to upgrade when you don't want to . but just as some devices and software stopped being supported for Windows XP, forcing people to upgrade to Windows 7, it's happening again. but no one says you have to stay on the curve. I know plenty of people who haven't bought software in years, still working away on their Pentium III in Windows XP, using Office 97 or Office XP and that's perfectly fine.

    as for how complex things are now... that's more a functionality of familiarity than anything. I'll use my Android/Windows 8 example again. I was lost at how to close a Windows Store app (a swipe down from the top edge of the screen). I had to google how to do it. But I was sitting on the toilet with my Android tablet, did my swipe to close the app, forgetting that I was on my Android tablet and not my Windows tablet. On Android, I had to do multiple steps just to close the app. But with the Windows version of the app, one quick swipe and it's closed. I now think the Android way of closing an app is kind of arcane and old-fashioned.

    there are skills I used to have from my Windows 3.11 and Windows 95 days that are far harder and more complex than anything you can do in Windows 8 but they're obsolete at this point. I remember all the cool CLI stuff and toggles I'd do just to make an MP3 with my LAME encoder and other tools. Nowadays, programs like iTunes and Zune do everything better and faster.
    I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I and those who have some issues with the way the UI has been implemented is bashing Windows 8 and wishing it would fail. No one here is saying things should stay the same, that Windows 8 is bad, telling people not to upgrade, or trying and stop progress. You are utterly, utterly, imagining things if that's what you read from people's posts. Point out one instance of that.

    It's actually people like you who completely fail to acknowledge that there are valid points raised by those who use PCs for other than social activities and that they have valid reasons for desiring some uniformity/familiarity as far as their real work is concerned. I find Windows 8 and the UI easy as anything to use, it took me no time at all to figure it out, but I don't like it for what I do, hence why I have installed Classic Shell. Microsoft's idea of a menu doesn't enthuse me, I can certainly use it, but I find it pointless for my work.

    No one who attacks my comments has ever discussed my points about the potential of the active tiles being used in a much more functional fashion, in a desktop environment. I've given countless examples, yet they all seem to fly over the heads of those who refuse to admit that things could be done differently in that respect as well and keep banging on about haters. You wonder why people keep repeating these things? Well, it's because you and others keep repeating your view of the world and never acknowledging that there are valid points being raised by others who have differing needs. And remember, all of the comments relate to the desktop PCs, mobile phones, tablets, TVs and similar devices.
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  6. #106


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Come on now Ray there have been numerous attempts of people trying to talk people out of Windows 8 and hoping that Microsoft would fail. Numerous comments that Windows 8 is a mess and a total disaster and that somehow Microsoft was forcing them to do all kinds of ludicrous things.

    Also comments that Microsoft is doing this just to get into the pockets of people, well that's what businesses do, that's how they survive, a shining example is Apple with its ludicrously priced cables and accessories, not to mention their Laptops and PCs, at least MS isn't as bad as that, but they have to make a living.

    If you want to talk about how Microsoft can improve on what it's doing fine, just try to go about it in the right way, even I will listen to you, if you're just going to keep bringing up old stuff, I'm deaf.
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  7. #107


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Come on now Ray there have been numerous attempts of people trying to talk people out of Windows 8 and hoping that Microsoft would fail. Numerous comments that Windows 8 is a mess and a total disaster and that somehow Microsoft was forcing them to do all kinds of ludicrous things.
    No pulling numbers from a dark, wet, place; show some actual quotes where this has been said and by whom.

    Also comments that Microsoft is doing this just to get into the pockets of people, well that's what businesses do, that's how they survive, a shining example is Apple with its ludicrously priced cables and accessories, not to mention their Laptops and PCs, at least MS isn't as bad as that, but they have to make a living.
    People have long abbreviated Microsoft to M$, meaning they are just money hungry, but I don't know why you even mention this.


    If you want to talk about how Microsoft can improve on what it's doing fine, just try to go about it in the right way, even I will listen to you, if you're just going to keep bringing up old stuff, I'm deaf.
    I'll keep bringing up the same points, as clearly do others, because those points are valid. As I said, whenever they are raised, the opponents counter by not actually addressing those concerns, but arguing that they don't see a problem; therefore, the person who raised the concern is the real problem.

    Your way is not always the right way, as others have pointed out, so you'll just have to learn to live with things that you don't like. Life can be like that at times. The best thing to do is not get involved in the discussions and perhaps they'll eventually stop. Or not.
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  8. #108


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Come on Ray I don't even have to look for the derogatory comments, I know some of the names of the people who have made them. I'm not here to start a flame war, which would ensue for sure.

    I bought up the money because one person sees Windows 8 as some kind of communist plot.

    I'm not trying to force my way on anyone, the opposite in fact, I say give Windows 8 a go, if you really don't like it go back to Windows 7 or XP.

    What I do say is that Windows 8 is nowhere near as bad as some people make out, and in actual fact it's better in a lot of ways, it's just a slightly different way of doing things.
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  9. #109


    Posts : 59
    MS Windows 8 Pro 64-bit


    I fear that Microsoft M$, has brought this kind of "dispute" on by there attempt (Win8) to lump all of it's user's into
    one group I.E. desktop,Ipad,Ipod,Iphone,Etc. As a result, have offended there core "group" desktop user's, which made
    them the mega corp. they are. This could have been prevented, by giving all there user's a choice of what their primary
    computing needs are, and which version of Win 8 to install at the beginning of the installation process. I, for one
    am a desktop user and rarely use the "Metro" side of win8 and would have been happy to have waved it off at the
    initial installation process. I still believe win8 is a good desktop operating system. I to resent being lumped in with
    "couch Tablet" users, I rather fancy myself "PROUDLY" as a "COMPUTER" geek {albeit in training} but a geek
    non-the less........
    walex
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  10. #110


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Come on Ray I don't even have to look for the derogatory comments, I know some of the names of the people who have made them. I'm not here to start a flame war, which would ensue for sure.

    I bought up the money because one person sees Windows 8 as some kind of communist plot.

    I'm not trying to force my way on anyone, the opposite in fact, I say give Windows 8 a go, if you really don't like it go back to Windows 7 or XP.

    What I do say is that Windows 8 is nowhere near as bad as some people make out, and in actual fact it's better in a lot of ways, it's just a slightly different way of doing things.
    When you're debating something, proof is paramount; not hearsay, assumed/common knowledge etc. I haven't seen one post, that I can recollect, where anyone has wished foul on Microsoft. Most people who have been critical of the Windows 8 UI have given it a try and they still continue to use it, but have been forced to install third party programs so that they can experience what they find more functional and efficient.

    No one is disputing that the underlying Windows 8 OS is very good and that there are some excellent features in the core that makes it better than Windows 7. But it's the UI that's the issue for many and it's also the cornerstone of what Microsoft is pushing, with all the other features barely rating a mention.
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