What Windows 8 should have provided

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This is not the best example, but it does illustrate what I've been trying to point out as a major flaw in Windows 8 (the apps user interface) - the Lenovo Horizon 27.

In PC mode:

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In alternative mode:

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In the Lenovo Horizon alternative mode, almost any number of people can use the device to do different things. But it's the fact that you can use, or display, multiple apps at once which is important. Windows 8 can only display two apps at the same time and basically using the full screen. This is the major flaw in the Windows 8 user interface.

The start screen is nothing more than a menu laid out in a series of tiles, when it could have been a series of active and modifiable apps to be viewed and used in any way that you wanted (within limitations) on a desktop with large, or multiple, monitors. Instead, it became a tablet/phone interface designed for small(ish) devices, while leaving the large screen users in a virtual limbo.
 

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I like the one on the bottom. The one on the top is for Kids even Microsoft thinks so (most of there adds are kids using it). As if parents will give there kids $600+ toys.
 

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Well, for starters, that system is designed for a 27" display. It doesn't have to work on 3" phones or 7" tablets, as well as 30" displays. It's also designed for multiple people to use it simultaneously from different directions. It's likely that this would simply fail on anything smaller than desktop sized monitor.

By the way, you keep making the mistake of confusing Metro with Windows 8. You keep saying things like "Windows 8 doesn't let you.." when in fact Windows 8 *DOES* let you do those things, just not in Metro apps.

Great, you don't like Metro apps. So why are you so obsessed with them?
 

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Where's the start menu, I can't live without the start menu, how do you close it down. It's too confusing.

Why do we have to have a funny looking wheel on the start screen.

That's not my view but that's what a lot of old timers would say, not all old timers mind you, just the ones who can't accept change.

Also, this is still Windows 8, just with a cover on it.
 

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Well, for starters, that system is designed for a 27" display. It doesn't have to work on 3" phones or 7" tablets, as well as 30" displays. It's also designed for multiple people to use it simultaneously from different directions. It's likely that this would simply fail on anything smaller than desktop sized monitor.

By the way, you keep making the mistake of confusing Metro with Windows 8. You keep saying things like "Windows 8 doesn't let you.." when in fact Windows 8 *DOES* let you do those things, just not in Metro apps.

Great, you don't like Metro apps. So why are you so obsessed with them?

Is it that you truly don't understand, or simply don't want to understand/acknowledge what is being discussed? Or is it that as your beliefs are being questioned, the reality is sinking in, and it's making you very uncomfortable?

The same goes for Windows Bill.
 

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Well, for starters, that system is designed for a 27" display. It doesn't have to work on 3" phones or 7" tablets, as well as 30" displays. It's also designed for multiple people to use it simultaneously from different directions. It's likely that this would simply fail on anything smaller than desktop sized monitor.

By the way, you keep making the mistake of confusing Metro with Windows 8. You keep saying things like "Windows 8 doesn't let you.." when in fact Windows 8 *DOES* let you do those things, just not in Metro apps.

Great, you don't like Metro apps. So why are you so obsessed with them?

Is it that you truly don't understand, or simply don't want to understand/acknowledge what is being discussed? Or is it that as your beliefs are being questioned, the reality is sinking in, and it's making you very uncomfortable?

The same goes for Windows Bill.

There's only one person here who is uncomfortable, and that's the person who can't accept Windows 8, and is doing his utmost to convince the rest of us that he is the one who is right.
 

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There's only one person here who is uncomfortable, and that's the person who can't accept Windows 8, and is doing his utmost to convince the rest of us that he is the one who is right.

I am not the only one who finds the Windows 8 apps screen rather useless; however, I do find astounding the complete antipathy by a few to even discuss the potential that has been lost with the way Microsoft has implemented the apps. It's now supposed to be a perfect implementation because that's what Microsoft has delivered?

The fact that some are arguing that it has to be that way because it must work with 2" to 30" screens or larger, is astounding. For a start, 27" monitors are available from just about any manufacturer and many people have two or more of these, I have two 23" monitors. So I'm supposed to enjoy a user interface, designed for a 2" screen, on a 23" screen?

Yes, I am totally uncomfortable with that and is one reason I cannot accept the Windows 8 user interface (aka start menu) as anything but flawed. It's quite a bit of hubris showing on your part, to think that I'm the only one who views the start screen in this way and that the remainder of the world fully agrees with you.
 

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Well, for starters, that system is designed for a 27" display. It doesn't have to work on 3" phones or 7" tablets, as well as 30" displays. It's also designed for multiple people to use it simultaneously from different directions. It's likely that this would simply fail on anything smaller than desktop sized monitor.
Exactly. It's about the right tool for the right job. Why would I expect to have exactly the same interface on a 3" display as a 27" display?
 

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Release a product which you know a significant proportion of your target market find extremely annoying.

It's interesting.

I am not convinced it is a terribly good idea.
 

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Is it that you truly don't understand, or simply don't want to understand/acknowledge what is being discussed? Or is it that as your beliefs are being questioned, the reality is sinking in, and it's making you very uncomfortable?

Wow, way to totally avoid answering the questions. Wriggle noted. I win.
 

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I am not the only one who finds the Windows 8 apps screen rather useless; however, I do find astounding the complete antipathy by a few to even discuss the potential that has been lost with the way Microsoft has implemented the apps. It's now supposed to be a perfect implementation because that's what Microsoft has delivered?

Windows has taken time to evolve from 1.0 to 8, we now have version 1.0 of the Modern UI which is also going to evolve but you want it NOW! It sounds to me that YOU expected a perfect implementation that would satisfy everyone in a version 1.0 release.
 

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I am not the only one who finds the Windows 8 apps screen rather useless; however, I do find astounding the complete antipathy by a few to even discuss the potential that has been lost with the way Microsoft has implemented the apps. It's now supposed to be a perfect implementation because that's what Microsoft has delivered?

Windows has taken time to evolve from 1.0 to 8, we now have version 1.0 of the Modern UI which is also going to evolve but you want it NOW! It sounds to me that YOU expected a perfect implementation that would satisfy everyone in a version 1.0 release.

i think he wanted it made just for him in just the right way, it's too bad that Microsoft is splashing out all the money.
 

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What Microsoft should have provided with windows 8 is no updates needed less than 30 days after release. My oem install update was several hundred MB of updates right out of the box NOT a good omen. Then to find out that a update in 6 months (windows blue) hope it doesn't refer to BSOD. This tells me the release was half baked and rushed out the door. NOT a good omen.
 

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I love how all these things that have historically happened suddenly have new meaning about how crappy Windows 8 is. Guess what? Windows 7 had updates even before it was officially released. Guess what? Windows 7 SP1 was released 8 months after the RTM release (same timeframe as Windows Blue).

Why is it that jokers like you have to always come along and make bizarre and irrational claims about things that are historically normal?
 

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Windows has taken time to evolve from 1.0 to 8, we now have version 1.0 of the Modern UI which is also going to evolve but you want it NOW! It sounds to me that YOU expected a perfect implementation that would satisfy everyone in a version 1.0 release.

Not at all. I've never expected anything perfect to come out of any software company first time round, or even with updated versions. There will always be glitches and things that have been overlooked, that's a hazard of the trade with so much coding involved. But the user interface is critical to anything new and this is where things have failed badly.

The removal of the start button doesn't bother me, there are plenty of third party fixes that work well. But it's the inability to do so little with the apps and to be forced to use all of them full screen that is utter madness. I am still astounded that something as obvious as being able to size and place apps any which way on a desktop has been completely ignored (or rejected).

Just take an example of using Windows 8 on a home entertainment unit. You can't have a TV program showing in a reduced size while you have your email, Facebook, Skype apps and whatever else floats your boat, open in reduced sizes, at the same time as well. What you have to do is flick from one to the other because everything has to open up in the full 60" screen of your TV. I can get picture-in-picture (with multiple channels) right now on my TV, but I couldn't get anything like that with Windows 8 apps.

Yet I can do just that with Windows 7 programs, and I do exactly that on my dual monitor setup. It's implemented differently in Windows 7 yes, but what mental spark would it have required to provide the same with Windows 8 apps? Was Microsoft so focussed on tablets and phones (the area they are struggling in), that the baby was thrown out with the bath water?
 

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"Just take an example of using Windows 8 on a home entertainment unit. You can't have a TV program showing in a reduced size while you have your email, Facebook, Skype apps and whatever else floats your boat, open in reduced sizes, at the same time as well. What you have to do is flick from one to the other because everything has to open up in the full 60" screen of your TV. I can get picture-in-picture (with multiple channels) right now on my TV, but I couldn't get anything like that with Windows 8 apps."

You see it's just like I said, you want Microsoft to tailor make it to your needs, forget that 95 % of the population never uses what you're talking about.
I've got a HTPC and I couldn't care less about Facebook and email and any other rubbish on there, it's a HTPC for Gods sake.

Windows 8 makes for a much better HTPC than Windows 7, it almost looks like it was actually made for it, and you're complaining about email and Facebook.

And the live tiles really do look great on a TV.
 

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You see it's just like I said, you want Microsoft to tailor make it to your needs, forget that 95 % of the population never uses what you're talking about.

I've got a HTPC and I couldn't care less about Facebook and email and any other rubbish on there, it's a HTPC for Gods sake.

Windows 8 makes for a much better HTPC than Windows 7, it almost looks like it was actually made for it, and you're complaining about email and Facebook.

And the live tiles really do look great on a TV.

See, you're again making more wrong assumptions and ignoring the basic facts of what's being discussed. I don't use any of those apps, I don't have Facebook, twitter or any of those accounts, but 100s of millions of people do (checked how many people are on Facebook lately?). Nor do I use my TV for anything but TV. However, ironically, you're the one who is insisting that because you don't need any of those features, no one else does.

All I'm saying is that those features would enhance Windows 8 greatly. I'm suggesting improvement and I'm asking why is such not possible or been implemented from the outset. Rather than being a Luddite, I'm thinking outside the square and not blindly accepting what's on the menu.
 

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It seems to me that you don't want to accept Windows 8 period. Instead of wasting your time looking for negative stories and moaning about the little things that are wrong, why not say things like, what I'd like to see in the next version of Windows 8 is. Blah, blah, blah..

Maybe you can ask the administrators of this forum to come up with a new Forum like, "What we'd like in Windows Blue" then everyone can have a say about what they want, as long as they block the words Start Menu and Aero.
 

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It seems to me that you don't want to accept Windows 8 period. Instead of wasting your time looking for negative stories and moaning about the little things that are wrong, why not say things like, what I'd like to see in the next version of Windows 8 is. Blah, blah, blah..

Maybe you can ask the administrators of this forum to come up with a new Forum like, "What we'd like in Windows Blue" then everyone can have a say about what they want, as long as they block the words Start Menu and Aero.

You're getting very bitter and twisted over this and taking it extremely personally. It is after all just a piece of software made by a company that really couldn't give a rats about your opinion, or mine. But it will give a rats if enough people point out its shortfalls, as they see them, and that may prompt some action if there's consistency. You might observe from my moniker that I am a fairly prolific Windows user and I hope that Windows 8 does succeed, but that does not preclude me from voicing my opinions about aspects of its implementation that I find poor.

You also seem to get things very mixed up about what I say, as I've never really had an issue with the lack of the old start menu (it's easily brought back) or the aero interface. Attributing complaints made by others to me, or implying that they fall in the same basket, shows that you're struggling to maintain a rational debate and emotion is taking over. Time for you to pause, I think, and take stock of what this is all about.
 

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What was just basically described is a fuller fleshed out live tile...
 

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