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  1. #31


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    Can't agree. I think the key sentence is pretty clear:

    "Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) as the operating system on a computer that you build for your personal use, or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual machine or a separate partition, subject to the restrictions outlined under ....

    In my post #12, I link a great deal of article support for my interpretation of this sentence. My interpretation is that there are 3 ways to use the OEM System Builder/Personal Use License combo initially:

    1. Install on a DIY rig;
    2. Install as an additional operating system running of a local virtual machine; and
    3. Install as an additional operating system running on a separate partition.



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  2. #32


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    I didn't see anything that said that anywhere. Where did it say that at?
    Check out the snip in my post #1. And, what I snipped is in what you posted in your post #2.
    That's what I was referencing.

    I'm not sure how you got that from those, but you can install the System Builder version where you like (clean, VM, partition, dual boot, etc....) so long as the key is only activated on one installation at the same time and on no others.

    https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...tml#post129488

    How can I use the software?

    We do not sell our software or your copy of it we only license it. Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) as the operating system on a computer that you build for your personal use, or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual machine or a separate partition, subject to the restrictions outlined under Are there things Im not allowed to do with the software? The license is only for use by one person at a time, and only if you comply with all the terms of this agreement. The software is not licensed to be used as server software or for commercial hosting - so you may not make the software available for simultaneous use by multiple users over a network. For more information on multiple user scenarios and virtualization, see the Additional Terms.
    Can't agree. I think the key sentence is pretty clear:

    "Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) as the operating system on a computer that you build for your personal use, or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual machine or a separate partition, subject to the restrictions outlined under ....

    In my post #12, I link a great deal of article support for my interpretation of this sentence. My interpretation is that there are 3 ways to use the OEM System Builder/Personal Use License combo initially (they could overlap):

    1. Install on a DIY rig;
    2. Install as an additional operating system running of a local virtual machine; and
    3. Install as an additional operating system running on a separate partition.

    You say "
    I'm not sure how you got that from those, but you can install the System Builder version where you like (clean, VM, partition, dual boot, etc...." But clean is not a place, a where? I don't think you can install it on a non-DIY machine with a single partition. You say "you can install it where and how you like ..." As said, I can't agree; I don't think you can install it on a non-DIY machine with a single partition. Maybe we should just agree to disagree. And, note that I am going with MS's words not what the company perhaps intended--which might be consistent with what you say.
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  3. #33


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    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft
    How can I use the software? We do not sell our software or your copy of it we only license it. Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) as the operating system on a computer that you build for your personal use, or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual machine or a separate partition, subject to the restrictions outlined under Are there things Im not allowed to do with the software? The license is only for use by one person at a time, and only if you comply with all the terms of this agreement. The software is not licensed to be used as server software or for commercial hosting - so you may not make the software available for simultaneous use by multiple users over a network. For more information on multiple user scenarios and virtualization, see the Additional Terms.
    Always been the same. + now you have Personal Use rights.

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  4. #34


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    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post

    You say things like "
    I'm not sure how you got that from those, but you can install the System Builder version where you like (clean, VM, partition, dual boot, etc...." But clean is not a place, a where? I don't think you can install it on a non-DIY machine with a single partition. You say "you can install it where and how you like ..." As said, I can't agree; I don't think you can install it on a non-DIY machine with a single partition.Maybe we should just agree to disagree. And, note that I am going with MS's words not what the company perhaps intended--which might be consistent with what you say.
    No problem, but I know you can.

    The line in our quote of the EULA below states you can.

    ......we grant you the right to install....on a computer that you build....or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual machine, or a separate partition.....
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  5. #35


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    I have never argued that anything is different. I am talking about the interpretation of MS's key sentence (IMO) noted above, for example, in posts #31 and #1.
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  6. #36


    Znod. It sounds like you've already made up your mind and nothing anyone else says is going to change it. I have a lot of confidence in the responses Theog, Brink and Mystere have posted and unless you can present proof positive they are wrong, why not go with what they are saying?

    I think the old adage "Why keep beating a dead horse" applies here.

    (I vaguely remember something about a dead horse actually winning a race but can't remember the particulars).
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  7. #37


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post

    You say things like "
    I'm not sure how you got that from those, but you can install the System Builder version where you like (clean, VM, partition, dual boot, etc...." But clean is not a place, a where? I don't think you can install it on a non-DIY machine with a single partition. You say "you can install it where and how you like ..." As said, I can't agree; I don't think you can install it on a non-DIY machine with a single partition.Maybe we should just agree to disagree. And, note that I am going with MS's words not what the company perhaps intended--which might be consistent with what you say.
    No problem, but I know you can.

    The line in our quote of the EULA below states you can.

    ......we grant you the right to install....on a computer that you build....or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual machine, or a separate partition.....
    But a computer you build is a DIY machine right? Where does it say you can put it on a non-diy machine unless as an additional operating system on a local VM or a separate partition?
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  8. #38


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    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    But a computer you build is a DIY machine right? Where does it say you can put it on a non-diy machine unless as an additional operating system on a local VM or a separate partition?
    That's the part that says it.

    You're just getting hung up on "System Builder" as meaning a system you built (DIY) yourself. While that's true, you can also install it on any computer you like whether you built the computer or not. After all, if you have the right to transfer a system builder copy to another computer, then you certainly have the right to install it where you like as well to begin with.

    It's just that most people don't need to since a prebuilt (factory OEM) computer already comes with a OS they use instead.
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  9. #39


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ztruker View Post
    Znod. It sounds like you've already made up your mind and nothing anyone else says is going to change it. I have a lot of confidence in the responses Theog, Brink and Mystere have posted and unless you can present proof positive they are wrong, why not go with what they are saying?

    I think the old adage "Why keep beating a dead horse" applies here.

    (I vaguely remember something about a dead horse actually winning a race but can't remember the particulars).
    Well, I searched and put a lot of opinons supporting mine in my post #12. None said you can install on a non-diy rig without the VM or partition qualification. I could have linked a lot more. I can prove my point beyond doubt. But, if one reads the key sentence I have referred to and applies appropriate logic, then I think my point is readily available.
    Last edited by znod; 30 Dec 2012 at 22:47.
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  10. #40


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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...tml#post129488


    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft
    How can I use the software? We do not sell our software or your copy of it – we only license it. Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) as the operating system on a computer that you build for your personal use, or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual machine or a separate partition, subject to the restrictions outlined under “Are there things I’m not allowed to do with the software?” The license is only for use by one person at a time, and only if you comply with all the terms of this agreement. The software is not licensed to be used as server software or for commercial hosting - so you may not make the software available for simultaneous use by multiple users over a network. For more information on multiple user scenarios and virtualization, see the Additional Terms.
    Always been the same. + now you have Personal Use rights.

    Post 24
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    I never argued that anything is different.
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