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  1. #21


    Quote Originally Posted by steveb View Post
    I hate all these daft things in corners and edges. I use 3 monitors and every time I move the cursor between screens some menus or charm bar pops out.
    very stupid. Why the charm don't stay in the Start Page, we don't need it in the desktop, do we ? ( now someone will come and told me to install this or that to disable it, we usually don't install something to disable it, usually we just click an option some where )

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  2. #22


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    Quote Originally Posted by molebo View Post
    very stupid. Why the charm don't stay in the Start Page, we don't need it in the desktop, do we ? ( now someone will come and told me to install this or that to disable it, we usually don't install something to disable it, usually we just click an option some where )
    No, you don't need the charms bar in the desktop.. unless you want to access search, or the settings menu... or you want an easy access to the start menu using a touch device... no, the charms bar should totally go away..
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  3. #23


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    @steveb

    ok, I agree with you - in desktop the taskbar does seem to wander around different screens.

    I hoped I would get used to Win 8 behavior - or at least understand it. I had horrible issues with the charm bar appearing whenever I touched the mouse but solved it by disabling the (Lenovo) mouse additions and that seemed to work. I only see the metro/charm/etc if I want to (usually).

    I still like it though but to to be honest a 5250 emulator and a paper and pen would probably do me. I'm trying to keep up with the times so if I go to an internet cafe I have some idea what to do :-)
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  4. #24


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    Another thing guys,

    I'm running Linux and OSX in VirtualBox on Win 8. Neither bother with charm things in full screen mode.

    And they are fast.
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  5. #25


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    Outstanding, this turned out to be a very informative thread. yes, i agree with all comments, as I also am impressed w/win8,
    however, i feel more in control with a "start button" therefore I use Classic Shell for that purpose. I feel Microsoft's goal was
    "one operating system fit's all needs, i.e. phones, pads, lappy's,and desktops. Hence, I have only a desktop and no need for
    the "metro" side, I simply use win 8 for my desktop needs, which I find win8 superbly suited and much improved, even over,
    win7....so again thank you all for the input, and yes i researched "start8" and agree. I will be switching to "start8" directly.
    I truly am pleased to have joined your forum, as an off the cuff comment brought so much helpful feedback.
    As originally stated, "Win7 & 1/2" is great, as i have need for only the desktop half...

    thanks all,

    walex
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  6. #26


    Some of you surely know about automatism associate with human ? I'm not sure of the word, in French it's look like that, anyway, we develop automatism, like we can grab a glass of water on a table a drink without even think about synchronizing our hands, the brain do it by himself. For years we get use to Windows gesture. Now with Windows 8 we have to think every move we do if we not working with a Desktop apps. It's there the real problem this is not productive at all.

    Just look at the mistake Larson did with the ribbon everyone was use to office 2003, in 2007 they bring the ribbon with a stupid orb, no one can guess the files menu was in the orb. They understand the problem and correct it with Office 2010.. so why Larson do again the same mistake with Windows 8 hiding the start button ? You know the saying, make a mistake one...twice.. I like the start page and I don't need the start menu , but why not simply put the dam orb start button to go to the start page ? You have a tile to go to the desktop in the start page, why not a orb to go from the desktop to the start page ? No peoples have to guess to go in the corner to click something they don't even see until they reach the corner.
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    Hey walex, I think you mean 31/32. I only joined today also and I will check out the "start8" but personally I don't mind pressing the windows key either. I've also found you get good responsible answers here - the 7 one was also good. God bless them whoever they are.
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  8. #28


    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post

    I'm running Linux and OSX in VirtualBox on Win 8. .
    well it's illegal to do so, if you like so much a OSX, why not support Apple ?
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  9. #29


    Posts : 59
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    Yes "molebo" you summed it up as to why I use a start button, I am conditioned to it and feel more in control with it. It simply
    is more visible as an "orb". Yes "adamf" start8 appears to be a more finished product than Classic Shell.
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  10. #30


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    Quote Originally Posted by molebo View Post
    Some of you surely know about automatism associate with human ? I'm not sure of the word, in French it's look like that, anyway, we develop automatism, like we can grab a glass of water on a table a drink without even think about synchronizing our hands, the brain do it by himself. For years we get use to Windows gesture. Now with Windows 8 we have to think every move we do if we not working with a Desktop apps. It's there the real problem this is not productive at all.
    It's called Muscle Memory. But here's the thing about Muscle memory, if you stop using it and do another thing, you develop new muscle memory. It doesn't take long (a few weeks).

    Muscle memory is a poor excuse, and is the textbook definition of "fear of change". Yes, Office 2007's orb menu was a little too esoteric for people, which is why it was changed. That had nothing to do with the Ribbon though. The menu and the ribbon are two different UI elements, they just happened at the same time.

    It was assumed that since people had no trouble going from a button that said Start to the Windows "Orb" in Vista, that they would take that knowledge and translate it to the menu in Office. For some reason, despite it being very similar, people just didn't make the connection.

    There have always been lots of hidden functions in Windows. This is not the first. For instance, click your mouse in the upper left corner of Internet Explore (above the back button) and lo and behold, a menu appears. This is the same menu that used to there back in the Windows XP days.
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