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    It looks like my ISP (COX) is downgrading to WIndow8 TOY system email has been down for over 12 hours and not expected to be up until Sunday morning.

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    Jacy, Your arguments have a few interesting points, but the vast majority of them are either wrong, misunderstood, or are the same as they've always been.

    You have always had to include a user name in Windows. What the heck are you talking about?

    Customer Experience programs are optional, you can choose to participate or not (In the final version, it was required in betas, and always has been.. same with Windows 7 and XP as well).

    GPS location services are optional and can be turned off.

    You've also always had to install 3rd party Java, at least since Sun sued Microsoft to prevent them from including their own (XP SP1a was the result of this).

    The Windows PDF reader is very basic, if you want advanced features, you need a commercial product.

    I don't understand what the Classic Shell has to do with opening more than one program at a time. Classic shell does not do anything related to that.
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    Interesting points?

    1. A user name was not required until Win 7 – which gave you the option of using the same name as the computer – Win 8 insists on a different user name which shows up in uploads and NOT the computer name. Since I have a stand-alone computer and I know what my name is, why does Microsoft insist I have a user name at all?
    2. Yes, Experience programs are options – exactly where in the instruction manual does it point out where all these MANY hidden options are?
    3. Exactly where in the instruction manual can you find the hidden GPS locater options? More to the point – why does Microsoft want to know your location?
    4. If I’m not mistaken, didn’t Microsoft advertise the new Internet Explorer can be used without 3rd party add-ons?
    5. Where in the instruction manual does it say that their new Windows pdf reader is BASIC?
    6. Classic Shell can resize windows so I can have ‘more than two’ windows on the screen at the same time.
    7. I believe Microsoft advertising for Windows 8 is border-line consumer fraud.
    8. Oh, and exactly where is the instruction manual?
    9. So, I’m not wrong. I don’t misunderstand and very little on Windows 8 is the same as it’s always been. What the heck are YOU talking about!
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    jacy just a a few things regarding your (list?).

    point 6
    Classic Shell can resize windows so I can have ‘more than two’ windows on the screen at the same time.
    classic shell does nothing of the sort, you can open and resize as many standard applications as you want on the desktop windows has done this on it's own power since....(someone tell me i've only been using windows since 3.1), it does not and never will allow the opening of more than 2 metro apps side by side or allow you to resize those apps.

    point 4, metro internet explorer doesn't allow addons/plugins of any kind, the other version on the desktop does however allow those.

    point 3, google also has this option on thier search www.google.co.uk or .com, andriod/ios also set this to default on...many apps use this feature, however there is going to be new legislation in some countries (USA most recently) that prevents this without user consent, and the option is in pc settings.

    point 2, again in pc settings.

    point 1, some people i work with don't like that aspect, i kind of get where they are coming from as to access all the features of windows 8 you really do need a microsoft account,the local account doesn't open up the store or other apps, however win95/win/98/win2000/win me/xp/vista/win 7 all required a user name be it user/admin/dave/bob/joe

    it's a security feature, it also allows the UAC to function correctly, and have multiple accounts.

    point 8 has windows ever come with an instruction manual? that's what were here for

    you seem frustrated with windows 8, but i get the impression whether wrongly or not that you hate microsoft more than you hate windows 8, i mention that because that's just how it sounds when you mention things like advertising. not having a dig here just an observation..

    as much stick as i give windows 8 my issue with it is firmly focused on an aspect that is in my opinion not working quite the way it should or could work(see sig), perhaps you could take a step back and try to focus on what isn't working for you and we can offer advice here instead of having an argument.

    this forum while open for debates is firmly focused on offering advice and support first and foremost, opinions are that of the posters and not of the forum community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacy View Post
    So, I’m not wrong.
    No you're not wrong but, unfortunately, if someone finds Windows 8 difficult, discouraging, or problematic, many are quick to point out that it's the user that is the problem, not the product. This of course happens with numerous products, but no where as often as with software or anything IT related.

    The worst culprits are those with extensive IT experience or in the IT profession, who simply cannot fathom that someone could possibly have any difficulties with something that they see as second nature. It becomes even worse when one of their favourite bits of kit is questioned and then it becomes all out war. And IT experts are the last people you generally want to show/teach you how to do something, they often don't have the skills or the patience to teach.

    I found a number of the installation aspects problematic and rather than clear sailing, required somewhat more effort than any previous Windows installation. Windows 8 does require you to provide much more information and it's not always readily obvious that you can bypass some of these things. Signing up to a Microsoft email account was one thing which completely caught me out and is something that was never previously required. There were also other similar things, I can't even open the calendar, unless I sign in to a Microsoft account.

    So your concerns and points are fundamentally correct, and other points are indeed far from obvious to the average person. GPS tracking was never enabled in Windows 7, unless you chose to enable it, and it's not that easy to find if you don't know what to look for. Now if it is indeed a default setting (I haven't looked) then disabling it should be an easy thing for people to do (with an explanation as to what it's all about), but that may not be the case.

    All you're doing is venting legitimate frustrations, but for the fanboys, it's a cause for apoplexy.
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    gps would be default on if it was pre setup by a moron at a shop, it gives you the option during installation and first time use as it does the other location services and such.

    being a good boy(middle aged man) i disable it all as it should be opt in for a customer rather than opt out.

    i have to deal with rather idiotic salesmen however that forget to mention the microsoft account part when they sell windows 8 which makes for some interesting phone calls when i call to ask them if they have a microsoft account...fun times, so i do understand where jacy is coming from there.

    i hope my above post was as objective as i meant it, if it wasn't let me know and i'll fix it for next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacy View Post
    Interesting points?

    1. A user name was not required until Win 7 – which gave you the option of using the same name as the computer – Win 8 insists on a different user name which shows up in uploads and NOT the computer name. Since I have a stand-alone computer and I know what my name is, why does Microsoft insist I have a user name at all?
    2. Yes, Experience programs are options – exactly where in the instruction manual does it point out where all these MANY hidden options are?
    3. Exactly where in the instruction manual can you find the hidden GPS locater options? More to the point – why does Microsoft want to know your location?
    4. If I’m not mistaken, didn’t Microsoft advertise the new Internet Explorer can be used without 3rd party add-ons?
    5. Where in the instruction manual does it say that their new Windows pdf reader is BASIC?
    6. Classic Shell can resize windows so I can have ‘more than two’ windows on the screen at the same time.
    7. I believe Microsoft advertising for Windows 8 is border-line consumer fraud.
    8. Oh, and exactly where is the instruction manual?
    9. So, I’m not wrong. I don’t misunderstand and very little on Windows 8 is the same as it’s always been. What the heck are YOU talking about!
    I don't think I've ever seen that on 7 where it doesn't require a user name and you can use your computer name. I remember for sure that it wouldn't let you, just as 8 does.

    In the first OOBE screen, you are ASKED if you want to use the Express Settings (which include the customer experience program setting as well as GPS setting) or you're allowed to customize those individual settings.

    GPS location services are used by the metro apps, IF they use them. For example, Bing Weather will ask if you allow it to use your location, as well as other apps. Microsoft isn't concerned where you're at, even still, when you run Windows Updates regardless of Windows version, they know your IP address and therefore your general location, as well as some other hardware info.

    The metro version of IE doesn't use third party addons, as that's different from the Desktop version, which again, you can change a couple of settings to have Desktop IE open everything by default on the Desktop.

    Windows Reader is basic, this should be obvious. Windows never had a built in pdf reader to start with, and the one that is installed is decent enough to use for most instances. Don't like it? Install Adobe Reader and be done with it. No need to make a big deal over something menial.

    Microsoft advertising for Windows 8 being border-line consumer fraud? I'm sorry, but you just lost credibility. Windows 8 is their latest product release, and they're a business and therefore have to advertise their new product release so PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT.

    The instruction manual? Didn't know we were living in 1995.... If you need a manual. there is thing called the Settings Charm, where either on the Desktop, or Start Screen, you can find out how to navigate Windows 8 under Help. Using the Settings Charm again, Help will be used in apps.

    And no, Windows 8, when you break it down logically, is just a Windows 7 2.0 with a king sized start menu that is visual.
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    come on coke robot be realistic...the start menu isn't king size, it's super duper size
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazz9496 View Post
    come on coke robot be realistic...the start menu isn't king size, it's super duper size
    This is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gazz9496 View Post
    come on coke robot be realistic...the start menu isn't king size, it's super duper size
    This is true.
    now all they need to add to metro is some flexibility and bam perfect
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