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    [QUOTE=Max Peck;173388][QUOTE=pparks1;172966]
    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post

    I absolutely concur with this. Piracy seems to be an acceptable behavior in many circles. One guy I work with here actually asked me "You mean you really PAY for your music?". Damned right I do. I pay for everything I use. I'm even one of the six people that's paid for WinZIP (PKZIP before that!).

    When everything is paid for you sleep very well at night.

    -Max
    I paid for all of my music - some FOUR MONTHS of constant sounds, if you pressed the right button...! BUT, my hard-drive died or caught a cold and now there's no recourse. How does one prove that one bought it? My Amazon records don't go back that far and many of the cd's I burned from I don't have anymore. So I strongly believe that I can now have what I want (what I had) for nothing anywhere I can get it... Microsoft don't care but they'll take the money. Amazon is similar, but they WILL honour a re-download of what remains in ones download folder - which, after a re-load of windows and loading windows 8 and some years of time seem to have lost. A tricky business indeed, but not my concern as I paid the money ONCE. If the lawyers can fix my old hard-drive, then the truth will out and I shall have no need to source my - 'MY' - music from 'free' sources...
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  2. #292


    DeLand, FL
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    [QUOTE=harrisonaard1;173704][QUOTE=Max Peck;173388]
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post

    I paid for all of my music - some FOUR MONTHS of constant sounds, if you pressed the right button...! BUT, my hard-drive died or caught a cold and now there's no recourse. How does one prove that one bought it? My Amazon records don't go back that far and many of the cd's I burned from I don't have anymore. So I strongly believe that I can now have what I want (what I had) for nothing anywhere I can get it... Microsoft don't care but they'll take the money. Amazon is similar, but they WILL honour a re-download of what remains in ones download folder - which, after a re-load of windows and loading windows 8 and some years of time seem to have lost. A tricky business indeed, but not my concern as I paid the money ONCE. If the lawyers can fix my old hard-drive, then the truth will out and I shall have no need to source my - 'MY' - music from 'free' sources...
    You know ... in such a situation if you can somehow recover some music that you know that you bought and paid for from a free source, I can't imagine why there would be a problem there. You know you paid for it. It's a matter of conscience. Most people downloading pirated content are knowingly stealing it.

    -Max
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  3. #293


    I'd like to know the total amount of software that has been pirated over the decades. It must be in the billions. I'm in a building business when sometimes I design and draw projects. I can't count with all my digits of how many illegal copies of just AutoCad, let alone other programs on machines I've seen through the years of either someone I know or machines I've fixed.

    I think this is one of the reasons MS has introduced the Modern app via the new UI. I noticed that when installing EE from RP that MS kept track of all the apps I had installed on RP whether bought or free. I was then able to install in EE. This will greatly aid to the decline of piracy. I think all software will eventually be written in the Modern interface only to be purchased via the MS Store. This way they keep track of what's installed on one's computer. I think 3rd party software companies will enjoy this as well. Hard working and honest people will gain the money due them by this system of sale.

    Some might see this as policing. It surely is. As long as one purchases software legally then one is doing no wrong. Besides that, one does not need to keep copies of software on hand. One just downloads it to reinstall via the MS Store.
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  4. #294


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  5. #295


    DeLand, FL
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I'd like to know the total amount of software that has been pirated over the decades. It must be in the billions. I'm in a building business when sometimes I design and draw projects. I can't count with all my digits of how many illegal copies of just AutoCad, let alone other programs on machines I've seen through the years of either someone I know or machines I've fixed.
    Yeah, it has to be in the billions. I have seen many, many pirated copies of software installed on people's machines myself. I can remember a number of places (way back in the DOS days) where people were using illegal copies of Novell Netware, Word Perfect, you name it. Some of my clients were legal offices (of all things) who would have ONE copy of the software and using it on a network with 25 users! Very annoying. Stealing some of these titles (like AutoCad, SQL Server, QuickBooks, etc.) amount, literally, to grand theft. In fact, laws were passed some time back declaring such piracy just that. Unfortunately it's almost impossible to enforce those laws. Whenever I've encountered such I've refused to work with the pirated software. When a friend (or whatever) had me work on their machines I would ask them for the license to the software and if they couldn't produce it I would refuse to work with it until the software was either removed or they purchased a copy. Sometimes people would get offended making excuses like "... but I can't AFFORD to purchase [insert title here] ... I couldn't stay in business!" My answer to that is, then, you don't belong in business.

    The hilarious thing about it is that many of these businesses I worked with where there was pirated software had expensive equipment they needed to do their business but when it came to paying for the software all-of-a-sudden they couldn't "afford it". Somehow software tools, because they're not physical items, are considered "vapor" or "freebie" items. The really silly thing is that they couldn't run their business without it (like AutoCAD) any more than they could run it without the lathe in the back of the shop. Hypocritical.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I think this is one of the reasons MS has introduced the Modern app via the new UI. I noticed that when installing EE from RP that MS kept track of all the apps I had installed on RP whether bought or free. I was then able to install in EE. This will greatly aid to the decline of piracy. I think all software will eventually be written in the Modern interface only to be purchased via the MS Store. This way they keep track of what's installed on one's computer. I think 3rd party software companies will enjoy this as well. Hard working and honest people will gain the money due them by this system of sale.

    Some might see this as policing. It surely is. As long as one purchases software legally then one is doing no wrong. Besides that, one does not need to keep copies of software on hand. One just downloads it to reinstall via the MS Store.
    You know, I hadn't thought of that aspect of it - the control over piracy. You're right. The Modern interface is certainly not up to the task for heavy-duty applications (I mean, can you imagine AutoCAD in Modern?), but control over software licensing is definitely more of a possibility through that delivery method. I support that idea to a point, however the next logical step there might be trying to control desktop applications through the store like that. I'm not sure I support that idea, though if implemented properly it might not be too bad. I'd hate to see MS lock down the desktop in that way as the ability to deliver a program to a system is one of the strong points of the Microsoft platform. Anything I write in VS2008 is deliverable to any Windows system from XP upward.

    However ... things are changing. We shall see how it goes.

    -Max
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  6. #296


    I gave up on piracy years ago when working for a commercial software company. Been employed in the software industry since 1997. Thankfully lots of Open Source software made piracy far less appealing. If a free alternative is not available that does what I need, I purchase the one that will.

    I even pay for my digital music these days. It's simply not worth the effort of scouring for the tunes, getting the right ones, making sure they are volume consistent, making sure they aren't edited or have the endings cut off...when I can purchase the entire MP3 album for like $5 from Amazon.
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  7. #297


    South Coast NSW, Australia
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    While I do not like paying for software, I will (and do) if I have to.
    But often, a freeware, trial version, or shareware product is available to do the job.
    I consider this to be a better option than piracy, because it's legal, and makes piracy unnecessary.
    There are quite a few very good freeware progs out there.
    I do not pirate. It's unnecessary.
    Wenda.
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  8. #298


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorky View Post
    Boy, things are getting a little heated here with some of you.
    Now come on lets be honest here.
    In W8 you boot-up into the Start Screen (providing that you exclude the password sequence which is left to you and applies in all OS's.)
    If you have spent a little time at first set-up you will see ALL your normal & frequently used tiles/icons arranged and Named in Groups. (Again YOUR choice and NOT predetermined as in the Start Button of previous OS's)
    Here comes option 1. You can click on the Tile/Icon of required program which will both open the program itself but also open it in the Desktop. (So 1 click and you are up and running in a 'program' in Desktop)
    Option 2. Click on the Desktop Tile to be taken to Desktop where, if you have moved from W7 you will find it arranged in exactly the same way you had it in W7. If not comming to W8 by that route you can simply pin icons to the Desktop Taskbar as required - you only have to do it once - no big deal.
    So you are up and running in perhaps your Browser within Desktop and you need to open another program. Well just as previously you select that icon from your Taskbar (if it's frequently used item - again determined by you) If an infrequent program then you went to Start and started to trawl for it. Would you believe it but in W8 you right click where the Start used to be to find yourself in the Start Page where (providing you took the trouble to set it up to YOUR OWN requirements) you will far more easily have access to the clearly illustrated icons/tiles for ALL programs and of course instant search should you require it.
    As for the rest, well you are all using this excellent Forum so why don't you avail yourselves of the excellent Tutorial Section which explains everything in plain language.
    Come on, it's a great OS and easy to use, just look before you leap - namely do a little research and stop the moaning.
    Well said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrisonaard1 View Post
    Amazon is similar, but they WILL honour a re-download of what remains in ones download folder - which, after a re-load of windows and loading windows 8 and some years of time seem to have lost.
    Looks like Amazon may answer your concerns: Amazon's AutoRip Service is Retroactive to 1998 | Maximum PC.
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  10. #300


    @ Ray8

    Thanks for the article leads.

    Of course we will never be able to stop piracy 100%, but we can get it to a minimum as far as possible. As long as there are dishonest writers and pirates that download to install or whatever means there will always remain piracy.

    If we think about it, we pay for pirating by paying a higher price for legitimate software. Companies have to make profit. Too many thieves and people with there hand out in this world looking for a free ride. It's getting worse by the year. I, for one, am getting sick and tired of it. Something has to change and change soon.

    I never claimed to be perfect, but if you think this is another one of my moral rants -> it is. Someone has to speak out and hold people to higher standards. The generation that won the war against the Axis powers and raised me did. I'm simply carrying on the family tradition.

    @ Max Peck

    I may be wrong, but it may be that all software will eventually be written in the Modern interface. It may take some time, but I think it will. I'm not that savvy to know if that's possible. Perhaps someone smarter than me can answer that.

    Bottom line -> I don't give a hoot if MS knows what programs are installed on my machine just as long as they don't know what files I create with them. That's private. If I have legitimate software then there's no harm. We have to remember that we don't own the software, we purchase the right to use it. I wouldn't blame MS or any other software companies if they went this route.
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