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  1. #181


    Webster NY US
    Posts : 325
    Win 7 / Win 8


    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Look what happened to Apple when they removed Google maps and replaced it with imaps.
    Yep that was a disaster on Apple's part. Fortunately, they quickly replaced it back with Google maps [sarcasm] rather than simply continue to tell their users how wonderful the new iMaps were and how stupid they were for that not being obvious[/sarcasm]. BTW, I'm not an Apple phanboy. I use Windows 7 and Windows 8 laptops. But I think we're ignoring the issue at hand, which is that Windows 8 is struggling in the market and there's a lot of denial going on. It would be better to discuss ways to improve it.

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  2. #182


    Quote Originally Posted by mbratch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Look what happened to Apple when they removed Google maps and replaced it with imaps.
    Yep that was a disaster on Apple's part. Fortunately, they quickly replaced it back with Google maps [sarcasm] rather than simply continue to tell their users how wonderful the new iMaps were and how stupid they were for that not being obvious[/sarcasm]. BTW, I'm not an Apple phanboy. I use Windows 7 and Windows 8 laptops. But I think we're ignoring the issue at hand, which is that Windows 8 is struggling in the market and there's a lot of denial going on. It would be better to discuss ways to improve it.
    I will agree with you on all points but Microsoft is the only one who can make improvements to the UI and they continue to ignore there users. There sales will continue to fall, if it equals Vista I will be surprised.
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  3. #183


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by mbratch View Post
    Poor analogy. Apple didn't have a start menu to start with and then take it away. That's different than not having it in the first place, for many years in fact, establishing a working paradigm, and then removing it for no apparent logical reason at all. MS is notorious for coercing the user into a new paradigm by denying them something that worked well for them. Even though they *might* have a functional equivalent provided, it doesn't provide a clear functional or ease-of-use advantage.
    It's irrelevant whether or not they previously did something. Windows 95 totally changed the interface of Windows 3.1. Apple totally changed the interface of OSX from OS 9 to OS X. It happens from time to time that companies totally rebrand their product. It doesn't change the fact that the company has no responsibility to its customers to continue to use any given design for all of eternity.

    In fact, Apple used to have something very similar to the Start Menu, called the Apple Menu. It contained various applications that could be run from it.
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  4. #184


    Can you tell me how to install the Classic shell? I adjusted first day but dislike it almost as much as I did Vista and was filled with buyer's remorse. I'd appreciate your help!
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  5. #185


    Chester U.K.
    Posts : 43
    Windows 8 Poo Edition (& Windows 7 Premium)


    I don`t like the Classic shell any more than I like the Metro applications.
    I installed Start8 from stardocks, its a brilliant little program and solves all my windows 8 woes in one fell swoop.
    I have it configured to start windows in the desktop, I have completely disabled the "Charms bar" and the "hot corners" and all "ways in" to the Metro stuff.
    If I had a touch screen I might feel differently but I don`t, so Metro is a "no-go area " on my computer.

    I now have what is for all intents and purposes a system that I am familiar with (having used windows 7 previously).

    Metro? - you can keep it.

    Metro to me is like someones bolted a load of DOS programs onto my system- they just aren`t "windows" programs. Desktop apps are better.
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  6. #186


    Webster NY US
    Posts : 325
    Win 7 / Win 8


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    It's irrelevant whether or not they previously did something. Windows 95 totally changed the interface of Windows 3.1. Apple totally changed the interface of OSX from OS 9 to OS X. It happens from time to time that companies totally rebrand their product. It doesn't change the fact that the company has no responsibility to its customers to continue to use any given design for all of eternity.
    Per your example, it's quite relevant. Microsoft *added* a Start menu in Windows 95. In other words, they added useful functionality that didn't previously exist. In addition, the personal computer market was still just exploding so that catapulted Windows 95 as well. Windows 8 took the desktop start menu away. Sure they put the Start screen in, but it didn't really add much in the way of obvious functionality for the user. It's just another way to organize your program icons and, to some degree, another way to manage running applications. I purchased a new laptop with Windows 8 on it and I like it. But it doesn't make me want to go out and upgrade my Windows 7 laptop to Windows 8. It just doesn't add real functionality for me. In fact, it tries harder to tie me to Microsoft specific services, which I find quite annoying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    In fact, Apple used to have something very similar to the Start Menu, called the Apple Menu. It contained various applications that could be run from it.
    When did Apple have something similar to the Start Menu? The basic way that Mac system and program menus work hasn't changed much since the original Macs. During that time, they've added capability onto it. I'm not recalling a start menu... (which could be just my memory failing me).
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  7. #187


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Apple menu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There's still technically an apple menu, but it's not what it used to be. It used to be filled with apps look at the os 8.6 version of the menu on that link)

    In a way, these apple menu apps were quite a bit analogous to Metro, in that apple menu apps were separate kinds of apps that were different from desktop apps, creating a dual personality sort of system.
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  8. #188


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Now answer me this, does the average user try to learn the new OS, or does the IT oriented person try to learn the new OS when trying to make act like a previous one?
    If my friend (and his mother) are typical of an average user, they want to know why things aren't where they've always been able to find them. Going from XP to Vista or Vista to 7 wasn't much of a paradigm shift - users understand the extant desktop interface and the relatively minor GUI changes allowed them to come up-to-speed fairly quickly. Now you throw an entirely new layer of abstraction at them and they're now stuck trying to find the desktop and, once there, they're wondering where the menu went. Most users's I've ever dealt with have no concept of the hot-key system they're used to their mouse. Now all-of-a-sudden instead of having a recognizable orb on the task bar from where they can START, they are thrown into a completely unfamiliar user interface.

    I'm sorry - you can argue this point until you're blue in the face if you want to. Windows 8 may be the best thing since sliced bread, but for a new user it is pure CONFUSION. It may eventually "take", but as I said before, only power users like us are going to be able to quickly adapt to it. Even the touch interface in Win8 is not particularly intuitive. With all the dragging to corners, swiping from the edges and all those additional actions new users (again, not your power users) are going to really struggle with this one.

    OTOH, the GUI on the iOS devices is far more intuitive. It's been amazing to me to watch how quickly people seem to pick that one up. It's simple to use by comparison.

    Win8 is working fine for me at the moment ... I've got it settled down. (I'm on my 2nd attempt with it). With my experience level I'm able to get away with that kind of fiddling. My wife would, long ago, have put the thing down and picked up her iPad or Windows 7 machine. I suspect that may be happening in many places right now.

    -Max :-)
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  9. #189


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    The start menu has many limitations, and frankly I'm glad to be rid of it. It's a pain in the ass. The old old start menu was even worse, with the cascading menus that if you accidentally slipped off of, you'd have to start navigating all over again. They tried to fix that problem with Vista/7's menu that expands, but that was just making navigation worse.
    Okidoke. :-)

    -Max
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  10. #190


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    ^ Totally agree. While I can use Windows 8 without any real issues, I totally hate the 'Start/Metro/Modern' screen (it's so bad that Microsoft can't even settle on a name and everyone uses a different one) as it's completely non-functional on a desktop PC compared to the Windows 7 OS. I didn't even like it on my tablet.

    I'll retain Windows 8 on my desktop and keep updating it, but I won't use it until Microsoft provides what clearly a vast number of people want, without having to resort to third party applications.
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