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Windows 8 - a return to the stone age?

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by darvin View Post
    Metro's All Apps menu is a mess
    For anyone interested,
    if you have a gesturing touch mouse or pad, you can zoom by moving two fingers in or out.

    Then you can run two fingers left or right to move the screen, and three fingers down takes you to the desktop.
    Three fingers up takes you to the start screen with a Logitech touchpad.
    Welcome to the Stone Age.

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  2. #12


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I do wonder if the Modern interface will ever function in multiple screen and multiple openings on one screen, anywhere in the near future at least. Surely Microsoft would have thought about this when designing the interface and calculated that into the design specs. Multi-tasking (depending on how you interpret mutli-tasking) has been a fact of life for ages and it's been neutered in the Modern interface.

    I have two, 23" monitors attached to my desktop and any app that I open, opens full screen on one monitor and I can't open another until I close the former. I can only use the dual screen capability when I invoke the desktop and desktop programs. Why?
    You do not have to close one app before you can access another. Multi-tasking is not "neutered". I think you don't actually understand what multi-tasking means, since there's nothing about Metro that prevents or inhibits multi-tasking. What you probably mean is using multiple applications for a single task, which is not the same thing as multitasking. Even so, alt-tab works just fine to switch between apps and copy and paste and other techniques work just fine. Metro Snap also is quite beneficial.

    The fact is, most people don't multi-task. They serially single-task. That is, they move from one app to another.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I do wonder if the Modern interface will ever function in multiple screen and multiple openings on one screen, anywhere in the near future at least. Surely Microsoft would have thought about this when designing the interface and calculated that into the design specs. Multi-tasking (depending on how you interpret mutli-tasking) has been a fact of life for ages and it's been neutered in the Modern interface.

    I have two, 23" monitors attached to my desktop and any app that I open, opens full screen on one monitor and I can't open another until I close the former. I can only use the dual screen capability when I invoke the desktop and desktop programs. Why?
    You do not have to close one app before you can access another. Multi-tasking is not "neutered". I think you don't actually understand what multi-tasking means, since there's nothing about Metro that prevents or inhibits multi-tasking. What you probably mean is using multiple applications for a single task, which is not the same thing as multitasking. Even so, alt-tab works just fine to switch between apps and copy and paste and other techniques work just fine. Metro Snap also is quite beneficial.

    The fact is, most people don't multi-task. They serially single-task. That is, they move from one app to another.
    What I meant was that you can't have two Modern apps open and visible, and able to work on either, more or less, at the same time. That's what I call multi-tasking. A Modern app will only open on one screen and while another can be in the background, it's not visible. I can open any number of programs in Windows 7 (within practical limits), have them all visible and jump from one to the other effortlessly. Many who have never used dual screens, don't understand exactly how functional they can be in many work situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    What I meant was that you can't have two Modern apps open and visible, and able to work on either, more or less, at the same time. That's what I call multi-tasking. A Modern app will only open on one screen and while another can be in the background, it's not visible. I can open any number of programs in Windows 7 (within practical limits), have them all visible and jump from one to the other effortlessly. Many who have never used dual screens, don't understand exactly how functional they can be in many work situations.
    I must be imagining this then:

    Windows 8 Metro Style Snap View - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    What I meant was that you can't have two Modern apps open and visible, and able to work on either, more or less, at the same time. That's what I call multi-tasking. A Modern app will only open on one screen and while another can be in the background, it's not visible. I can open any number of programs in Windows 7 (within practical limits), have them all visible and jump from one to the other effortlessly. Many who have never used dual screens, don't understand exactly how functional they can be in many work situations.
    I must be imagining this then:

    Windows 8 Metro Style Snap View - YouTube
    And I think that we're talking about something completely different, as that doesn't demonstrate what I need.
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  6. #16


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Interesting.

    I do agree about the IE unification, it's annoying sometimes.

    The boot menu doesn't concern me, even if I had a dual boot going, I'd prefer the new boot manager over the DOS looking thing. But that's just me.

    Charms bar is another thing. The reason why nothing under Devices shows up, I'm guessing this is from the Desktop, is purely a coding impediment that doesn't allow win32 to directly access the winRT framework, as it kind of signals a shift away from the old win32 coding environment to the new WinRT one. But, if you use the metro apps, for example Reader, and you go to Devices, you should see your printers there. The apps are coded to use relevant devices, such as a pdf reader will use a printer over a monitor. You wouldn't need to use an external hard drive, as that's a save command which is in the app's code itself. Meaning, you need to right click and hit Save as and direct the file to the hard drive. Think of it this way, the Charms bar is the system commands bar is a like a gate-dam type of thing that directs commands around. Sharing is done by the system, search, using devices, and other random settings are used by those system commands. The metro apps themselves have their own commands as well. The Desktop will most likely be used to connect to another screen versus a printer, so on and so forth. And as for getting the Charms bar open, you do know that the top and bottom left corners do it, not just the bottom one? I can't say how it's like with a dual monitor setup, but I do know after the Developer Preview, Microsoft made the Charms bar easier to open with a larger target.

    I do also agree about the superfluous icons in the Settings charm, most likely that will become like the system tray in the Desktop where you can customize it better.

    To comment about the sharp edges, to me it looks more better than having EVERYTHING glossed, rounded, and thrown into a 3D perspective on a 2D plane. It's weird. vista looks weird, as well as xp. The two share the crown of real awful Fischer-Pricy design, ESPECIALLY xp. vista is more of a glassier, 3D, shiny version of xp's luna theme.

    You can use the new Task Manager, and shrink it down and keep it on top of everything, it basically can turn into a gadget.

    For me, the new boot manager just wasting time, since you boot Windows 8 first, then select operating system to start, then the computer restarts to the selected OS. I prefer the DOS-style boot selection to the W8-style
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by darvin View Post
    Metro's All Apps menu is a mess
    Attachment 12567
    Just look at this filth!!

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  8. #18


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    And I think that we're talking about something completely different, as that doesn't demonstrate what I need.
    Look Ray. You said some things that simply aren't true. "you can't have two Modern apps open and visible" and "A Modern app will only open on one screen and while another can be in the background, it's not visible". It's quite clear what you said, and what you said was wrong.
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    Well, I can't get two open at the same time (I don't speak Thai either). Is this technique only available to those who have completed Windows 8 Master Class? Show me how it's done and then I'll tell you whether it's what I'm actually talking about.
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  10. #20


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    To comment about the sharp edges, to me it looks more better than having EVERYTHING glossed, rounded, and thrown into a 3D perspective on a 2D plane. It's weird. vista looks weird, as well as xp. The two share the crown of real awful Fischer-Pricy design, ESPECIALLY xp. vista is more of a glassier, 3D, shiny version of xp's luna theme.
    But the key always was that with Windows XP, Vista and 7, you could always revert to the NT sharp, crisp fast edgy look. With Windows 8 all you get is the updated NT look. I think users should be offered options not mandates.

    Regarding the devices I did find another devices screen which showed a number of items and even a few I had forgotten about. But it is odd that only my monitors show up on the Charm bar.
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