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I believe Win 8 is going to be another Windows Vista

  1. #71


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    Bill, I think it is not Vista that Windows 8 will be, BUT Windows 3.x! What's the difference really? Win3.x = icons, Win8 = Tiles
    Icons - Tiles, Tiles - Icons. Isn't a tile still basically just an icon, In a larger form?

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  2. #72


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    I just hope all you guys will enjoy Apples products when you've finished burying Microsoft. The way I see it MS has a lot more to worry about than Apple, it's the inability of old Windows users to embrace change that's doing the damage.

    I'll bet Tim Cook comes to these sites everyday and laughs his head off.
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  3. #73


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I just hope all you guys will enjoy Apples products when you've finished burying Microsoft. The way I see it MS has a lot more to worry about than Apple, it's the inability of old Windows users to embrace change that's doing the damage.

    I'll bet Tim Cook comes to these sites everyday and laughs his head off.
    Yeah, we really should have embraced Microsoft Bob when it came out. If it weren't for all those backward, old Windows users, that product would have been a huge success. Stupid customers. I don't know why Microsoft even wastes their innovative genius on them in the first place. Good thing for Apple that they were smart enough not to fall into that trap with their iPhone design. Most of their customers would have rejected it at first, and the negative feedback and press would have impacted their sales. Oh, wait...
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  4. #74


    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin View Post
    How anyone can say it is the same is beyond me. As for saying that if people need to take classes to figure out windows 8, that is exactly the superior sort of attitude why i hate a lot of forums.I am trying to learn how to use it, i am finding it hard to get used to the metro screen, but i am probably not as intelligent as you.
    How is it drastically different? The function is the same. You click into the start menu in 7. Click a folder, then click the program. You click the start window in 8. You click All Apps, you click the program. Pin a program to favorites in the start menu. pin a program to the start screen in Metro. Open the start menu in 7 and type to search. Open the start screen in 8 and type to search. Windows Explorer (file on the taskbar) made many shortcuts in the start menu redundant. You can get to every folder you need to through it easily in 7 and it's just as effective in 8. Does it take some getting used to? Of course. Change a 15+ year old interface, it will take some getting used to. This does not mean it's so different, you need to take a class to figure it out. There's a reason that 8 is still considered 6.2 and not version 7.

    I don't recall saying that anyone was less intelligent. I simply don't think one needs to take classes to learn to do something that is largely the same as before. Same steps, different interface. Maybe I'm being too optimistic?
    Ok, if you have no start bar, then immediately people are on the back foot.The metro screen looks awful and there is no documentation.Now it is fine if people like you think that people should not own computer if they need to take classes, but it is that type of arrogance that gets on my nerves.Some people find it more difficult so they come on here for help, not for someone to belittle them. The fact that you have so many topics and questions would suggest that it is not as straightforward as you would say for everyone.
    For desktops, i think they have done a halfhearted job to try to get it working on PC`s and touchscreen tablets.It is not a good job.Windows 7 was designed for PC`s.If they wanted too cover 2 bases, they could have done 2 versions.If the touchscreens are not succesful, i can see Microsoft in a lot of trouble.Another problem, is that Windows 8 has nothing to recommend an upgrade from windows 7 for a desktop.I know it is not good to have an opinion on a forum, but that is mine. If you go onto amazon, you will find 92 5 stars and 92 1 star, so not everyone is as enthusiastic
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  5. #75


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin View Post
    Ok, if you have no start bar, then immediately people are on the back foot.The metro screen looks awful and there is no documentation.Now it is fine if people like you think that people should not own computer if they need to take classes, but it is that type of arrogance that gets on my nerves.Some people find it more difficult so they come on here for help, not for someone to belittle them. The fact that you have so many topics and questions would suggest that it is not as straightforward as you would say for everyone.
    For desktops, i think they have done a halfhearted job to try to get it working on PC`s and touchscreen tablets.It is not a good job.Windows 7 was designed for PC`s.If they wanted too cover 2 bases, they could have done 2 versions.If the touchscreens are not succesful, i can see Microsoft in a lot of trouble.Another problem, is that Windows 8 has nothing to recommend an upgrade from windows 7 for a desktop.I know it is not good to have an opinion on a forum, but that is mine. If you go onto amazon, you will find 92 5 stars and 92 1 star, so not everyone is as enthusiastic

    well gavin your right, most desktop owners don't think windows 8 is a suitable o/s some find it fine others don't.

    your not wrong on the 2 o/s versions either microsoft should have made provisions early on for differences that will occur in how a desktop user utilises windows, but they didn't.

    microsoft essentially said, you all like tablets...here have a tablet o/s on your desktop and that's the end of the discussion.

    it's funny though i like windows 8, i like how the o/s works behind the scenes doing the bits i can't see simply because it does that better than any other o/s, but metro doesn't work for me it works against me in everything it represents, from paired down applications more suitable for a phone to lack of customisation in how i want metro to run on my desktop.

    windows 8 a great o/s let down by the limitations of metro.
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  6. #76


    Well, i haven`t given up on it.I will not be letting it near this computer though.It is installed on my wife`s.It took a while to find how to even get the computer to shut down.I am getting a cheap PC at christmas so i will give it a real go then.If i get used to it, i will install it on all my machines.The problem is, whether people like it or not, first impressions is everything.If someone likes windows 7,as i did straight away from upgrading from XP.If you install a programme and you don`t like what you see, then lots of people will not bother, which is basically what happened to Vista.
    One problem we are having, is my wife leaves her laptop on all day.She is addicted to games on Facebook.If she leaves the laptop for a few hours, half of her games will stop working.WHen it is rebooted, it works fine again.
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  7. #77


    Webster NY US
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    Win 7 / Win 8


    [QUOTE=gazz9496;156963]
    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin View Post
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    it's funny though i like windows 8, i like how the o/s works behind the scenes doing the bits i can't see simply because it does that better than any other o/s, but metro doesn't work for me it works against me in everything it represents, from paired down applications more suitable for a phone to lack of customisation in how i want metro to run on my desktop.

    windows 8 a great o/s let down by the limitations of metro.
    Yeah, they really should have made the good parts a service pack on Windows 7, or released them as Windows 7.1.
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  8. #78


    Posts : 99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin View Post
    Ok, if you have no start bar, then immediately people are on the back foot.
    Right, because it's a new interface. It is not surprising in the least that it takes people time to learn it. The thing is, many people just don't care to learn anything new, whether it's beneficial or not. MANY people bashed the new taskbar in 7, despite the fact that it's so much more useful than the taskbar of old.

    The metro screen looks awful and there is no documentation.
    First point: opinion. I don't think it looks awful. Second, I agree. With XP, there was a tutorial mode. I think Windows 95 had one as well. Windows 8 should have come with one. MS could have pointed out the changes and the key features and this wouldn't even be an issue. That is definitely a fault on their part. Yes, there's google and other documentation out there, but this would have made sure that everyone understood how to use it.

    Now it is fine if people like you think that people should not own computer if they need to take classes, but it is that type of arrogance that gets on my nerves.Some people find it more difficult so they come on here for help, not for someone to belittle them. The fact that you have so many topics and questions would suggest that it is not as straightforward as you would say for everyone.
    Anyone who has used XP, Vista, or 7 should be able to learn how to use 8 without taking classes. Googling, finding that online Win8 for Dummies guide, etc is fine enough. Classes? Just, no. Waste of money, waste of time.

    For desktops, i think they have done a halfhearted job to try to get it working on PC`s and touchscreen tablets.It is not a good job. Windows 7 was designed for PC`s.If they wanted too cover 2 bases, they could have done 2 versions.If the touchscreens are not succesful, i can see Microsoft in a lot of trouble.
    It does a very good job, actually. I'm just as productive on 8 after learning how the interface works and dropping a few old habits. File Explorer takes care of any file exploring needs. Pinning commonly used programs to the Start Screen is just as effective as pinning to the taskbar or start menu and works about as fast.

    Just like with anything new, it takes time to learn how to use it effectively. I just started using Linux Mint and using the Terminal effectively is almost like trying to learn to read and write greek right now. Obviously, it's going to take time for me to learn to use it effectively. People had to learn how to use the new start menu in Windows '95 effectively. People had to learn how to use DOS to use it effectively. etc. etc.

    If I insulted your intelligence, it was not my intent. I simply don't think it's as difficult to learn as people seem to think. As with Vista, lots of people who haven't used it, and others who know very little about what they're talking about bash it to death. There's a lot of ignorance and misinformation floating around. NOT saying this is you or anyone else here. Just in general. Seems you've been using 8 and simply don't like Metro. Well, that's your opinion and you've a right to it. Install a 3rd party start menu and it's basically a more efficient 7. Problem solved.

    Another problem, is that Windows 8 has nothing to recommend an upgrade from windows 7 for a desktop.I know it is not good to have an opinion on a forum, but that is mine. If you go onto amazon, you will find 92 5 stars and 92 1 star, so not everyone is as enthusiastic
    Just like 7 is an optimized Vista with a better taskbar, 8 is an optimized 7 with a different Start interface. Performance-wise, it is better than 7 in about every way. If someone is happy with 7 and doesn't care to switch, well that's their prerogative. Many people didn't care to switch to 7 from Vista SP2. Only real difference was a more efficient OS and a better taskbar to them. I'm not trying to convince anyone to upgrade.
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  9. #79


    point 1- There is no start bar, that is a fact and didn`t even know how to shut the computer down.As i have stated before, it is a first impression, and a lot of people will give up on just that.

    Point 2- The Metro screen does look awful.Your opinion it is the best thing ever, that is fine.I may like it once i get used to it, again, it is first impressions which a lot of people will not get past.Opinions can differ even if we dont like it.

    Point 3- I personally wouldn`t take a class to learn windows 8,and don`t know who suggested it, but to say that people shouldn`t own a computer because they would is arrogant beyond believe.How do you know a class would be a waste of money? If someone took a class and got a lot out of it and unlocked the full potential of it, then it may well be worth it.Again, it is your opinion that classes are a waste of money.Not everyone is computer savvy.Who knows, someone who takes a class may teach you a thing or 2 one day.

    point 4- I find it clunky and not user friendly.Again, after a few weeks i may find it is good, but at the moment it doesn`t draw me in.In fact i don`t find it a good experience at all.Also, why spend money to spend more money, or find apps to make it work properly.

    point5- again it is opinion.I don`t think it is good enough to spend 40 when windows7 is doing everything fine. At the moment Amazon has 92 5 stars, and 93 1 star, so there must be a lot of people who dont like it.Now i agree that some of those will probably be first impressions, the others may have genuine concerns, some are probably MS haters who would give everything 1 star.

    Point 6 - I can understand your frustration.Like the title of the thread says, is Windows8 going to be the next Vista.I don`t agree that it will be. Vista got a bad rep from the start with driver issues etc, and never recovered.I found it slows everything up.Windows 7 had the advantage of Vista , as lots of people went from XP to Windows 7. Windows 8 is different and it will take time to learn.People like continuity.Windows 7 took miutes to get used to.Windows8 will take days or weeks. But rest assured, i will conquer it by the end of this year with the forums help.
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    i wish you luck in getting used to it in a month, some aspects of it just drive me nuts after over a year of beta use.

    in the end it's all about how it works for each person that uses it, windows 7 pretty much left it up to the user to decide, windows 8 doesn't allow that.

    how metro looks is for me fine i like the plain colours and how the tiles are set out, how it runs in multi screen for me makes it utterly worthless along with the apps, pretty much the entire function of metro for me is worthless.

    but that's mostly about how i want my pc to work, if someone comes out with a program that is essentially metro with better functionality then i'll use it.
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