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I believe Win 8 is going to be another Windows Vista

  1. #61


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    But what I think Microsoft has tried to do is make Windows 8 a 'one hat fits all' OS and come a cropper.

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  2. #62


    Posts : 99
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin View Post
    How anyone can say it is the same is beyond me. As for saying that if people need to take classes to figure out windows 8, that is exactly the superior sort of attitude why i hate a lot of forums.I am trying to learn how to use it, i am finding it hard to get used to the metro screen, but i am probably not as intelligent as you.
    How is it drastically different? The function is the same. You click into the start menu in 7. Click a folder, then click the program. You click the start window in 8. You click All Apps, you click the program. Pin a program to favorites in the start menu. pin a program to the start screen in Metro. Open the start menu in 7 and type to search. Open the start screen in 8 and type to search. Windows Explorer (file on the taskbar) made many shortcuts in the start menu redundant. You can get to every folder you need to through it easily in 7 and it's just as effective in 8. Does it take some getting used to? Of course. Change a 15+ year old interface, it will take some getting used to. This does not mean it's so different, you need to take a class to figure it out. There's a reason that 8 is still considered 6.2 and not version 7.

    I don't recall saying that anyone was less intelligent. I simply don't think one needs to take classes to learn to do something that is largely the same as before. Same steps, different interface. Maybe I'm being too optimistic?
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  3. #63


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin View Post
    How anyone can say it is the same is beyond me. As for saying that if people need to take classes to figure out windows 8, that is exactly the superior sort of attitude why i hate a lot of forums.I am trying to learn how to use it, i am finding it hard to get used to the metro screen, but i am probably not as intelligent as you.
    How is it drastically different? The function is the same. You click into the start menu in 7. Click a folder, then click the program. You click the start window in 8. You click All Apps, you click the program. Pin a program to favorites in the start menu. pin a program to the start screen in Metro. Open the start menu in 7 and type to search. Open the start screen in 8 and type to search. Windows Explorer (file on the taskbar) made many shortcuts in the start menu redundant. You can get to every folder you need to through it easily in 7 and it's just as effective in 8. Does it take some getting used to? Of course. Change a 15+ year old interface, it will take some getting used to. This does not mean it's so different, you need to take a class to figure it out. There's a reason that 8 is still considered 6.2 and not version 7.

    I don't recall saying that anyone was less intelligent. I simply don't think one needs to take classes to learn to do something that is largely the same as before. Same steps, different interface. Maybe I'm being too optimistic?
    Also should be mentioned, all and more of the start menu links can be pinned onto the Start Screen if needed... As well as folders, hard drives, Control Panels items, ect.....
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  4. #64


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    yes, over all this is an educational issue. Most people don't want to know how to find things.

    They want an On/Off Button and an Icon that opens their application.

    Ultimately, this is not entirely feasible on any OS. One MUST learn how to use any OS that sits in front of them.

    I would really love to sit some of these same people down in front of a fresh installed copy of Linux and tell them to go use it.

    However, I think more and more we are going to move into a locked down Virtual Cloud Based Environment where people turn on their device that just connects to the internet, have a an Icon that goes to a repository, they click on the app they want to run and it does. That's it. And that is so 1984.

    Because hey, why learn things when they can just be made to happen without a single thought.
    Ah the joys of complacent ignorant bliss.
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  5. #65


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    People want and like simplicity when it comes to the likes of social apps etc, which is why Apple/Android have been doing well and RT should do in equally. In fact I like some of the 'tool' apps that are available for Apple/Android and the likes of the weather app for Windows 8. But there's nothing that says you can't have similar things available for the traditional desktop of Windows 7.

    But when it comes to doing more complex things, which a computer is traditionally designed to do, then you need more than just an app. Multi-screen support, flexible single screen support and the ability to use complex programs is the other half of the coin. The average Windows 7 and below user, given say Linux Mint (or even Ubuntu with Unity) will be able to find their way through the menus, because there is great similarity with the traditional Windows interface. And it's been done that way because it works.

    There is nothing wrong with change, it happens every day in everyone's life and has been going on forever. However, when you can control that change, don't throw the baby out with the bath water and leave a large part of your audience frustrated. It's not just frustration about using a new design, but the fact that the ability to use the familiar, old design, has been almost forcibly removed. BMW found that out when they introduced a new console control system in their top of the line cars that no one could use.
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  6. #66


    Posts : 120
    Windows 8.1 + StartIsBack + AeroGlass


    Change is not the problem, despite what the most ardent supporters keep repeating. The problem is that the new UI is not fit for purpose. No matter how much you want to learn it or get used to it, at the end of the day it'll still be a tablet UI shoehorned into a traditional desktop.
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  7. #67


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Or it's a traditional Desktop OS with traditional tablet functionality built as an extension of it.

    Or, it's a traditional Desktop OS if you school yourself in the ways of it.
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  8. #68


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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by mcnulty View Post
    No matter how much you want to learn it or get used to it, at the end of the day it'll still be a tablet UI shoehorned into a traditional desktop.
    That's the best description I've heard to date to aptly describe it.

    I bought Win8 Pro OEM on disk from a retail computer store so I'm certainly not an "8 hater".

    But no way would I have considered buying it if I hadn't been able to boot direct to desktop, and configure it to W7 Orb Start Menu with Metro totally switched off.

    See hack Ex7ForW8.

    So why did I buy it? For the improvements to the OS kernel; and to play with the new technology. Which if I did find more efficient I'd use. Note, I didn't say it can't do everything a traditional desktop can in it's native state. Question is how efficiently. And that's a moot point.
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  9. #69


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Or it's a traditional Desktop OS with traditional tablet functionality built as an extension of it.

    Or, it's a traditional Desktop OS if you school yourself in the ways of it.
    Even if you school yourself so much that you can break bricks using your hand, they are still bricks.
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  10. #70


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    "I beleive Win8 is going to be another Windows Vista" wow how original I haven't read that 1000 times before.

    I see nothing has changed in the last couple of months.
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